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I had said "any aircraft." Those damn whirlybird's are only considered "aircraft" by the guys who fly them. Besides, helicopters don't really fly, they just beat off.

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So let me get this straight, you think that the President actually knows, each and every moment, where "his" plane is? Is that what you're suggesting? Because if it is, let me help you understand what it is that you're trying to talk about: 1) First of all Air Force 1 is the Air Traffic Control call sign of ANY aircraft carrying the President of the United States; 2) There are 2 B-747's that serve as "Air Force 1"; 3) There are numerous other aircraft that serve as Air Force 1, depending on where the President is traveling to; 4) At times the B-747's are used to carry other high ranking dignitaries to foreign lands. When that happens, those aircraft ARE NOT Air Force 1; 5) The President IS NOT "in charge of AF1"! He might be the President, and it might be "his aircraft", but I can assure you, the guy flying that jet in the Left Seat, is "IN CHARGE", not The President. Of that there can be absolutely no argument.

I hope the above helps you understand how it works, because you certainly needed this little primer.

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Yes! That is what I'm saying!

I will also go on record and tell you that he also get's a report each and everyday where aircraft carriers are .... the operational readiness of the nukes on hand and troops.... and so on.

Just because he doesn't have any experience and blows things like that off doesn't mean that he isn't made aware of them.

Does the saying "The Buck Stops Here" ring any bells with you?

And for a guy who promised to cut wasteful government spending he also dropped the ball there as well. Over 300K could have been spent more wisely..... don't you think?

Why do people have to constantly make excuses for that nitwit is beyond me ....... or is it?

I look forward to 3 1/2 more years of excuses from those who just don't have guts enough to "man up" and say, "Boy! we fucked up putting this nitwit in"!

...... I hope it doesn't ,but I believe it's only gonna get worse!
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FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor's Office If Secret Ever Got Out
Furious Obama Apologizes: "It Will Never Happen Again"
CBS News Interactive: Sept. 11 And Since Reporting
Marcia Kramer NEW YORK (CBS) ―

A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of Monday's low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.

CBS 2 HD has discovered the feds will have plenty to question.

Federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and a 747 from the presidential fleet to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD, the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

What are your feelings on federal officials demanding the NYC flyover be kept secret by the NYPD and the mayor's office?

"To say that it should not be made public knowing that it might scare people it's just confounding," Sen. Charles Schumer said. "It's what gives Washington and government a bad name. It's sheer stupidity."

The flyover -- apparently ordered by the White House Office of Military Affairs so it would have souvenir photos of Air Force One with the Statue of Liberty in the background -- had President Obama seeing red. He ordered a probe and apologized.

"It was a mistake. It will never happen again," President Obama said.

The cost of the frivolous flight was about $60,000 an hour and that was just for the presidential aircraft. That doesn't include the cost of the two F-16s that came along.

The flight by the VC-25, a modified Boeing Co. 747, and two F-16 fighter jets cost $328,835, Air Force spokeswoman Vicki Stein said.

That includes $300,658 for the larger plane, which flew a three-hour mission, and about $28,178 for the F-16 jets, which flew 1.8 hours each, Stein said in an e-mailed statement.

The NYPD was so upset about the demand for secrecy that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly vowed never to follow such a directive again and he accused the feds of inciting fears of a 9/11 replay.

"Did it show an insensitivity to the psychic wounds New York City has after 9/11? Absolutely. No questions about it. It was quite insensitive," Kelly said.

The mayoral aide who neglected to tell Mayor Michael Bloomberg about it was reprimanded.
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Yes! That is what I'm saying!

I will also go on record and tell you that he also get's a report each and everyday where aircraft carriers are .... the operational readiness of the nukes on hand and troops.... and so on.

Just because he doesn't have any experience and blows things like that off doesn't mean that he isn't made aware of them.

Does the saying "The Buck Stops Here" ring any bells with you?

And for a guy who promised to cut wasteful government spending he also dropped the ball there as well. Over 300K could have been spent more wisely..... don't you think?

Why do people have to constantly make excuses for that nitwit is beyond me ....... or is it?

I look forward to 3 1/2 more years of excuses from those who just don't have guts enough to "man up" and say, "Boy! we fucked up putting this nitwit in"!

...... I hope it doesn't ,but I believe it's only gonna get worse!
Wasn't "The Buck Stops Here" the sign that Bushie threw out the first day he was in office along with his copy of the Constitution.

Nice leap, by the way from "knows status of HIS plane every moment" to "daily report on force readiness". As if they are remotely the same thing.

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Wasn't "The Buck Stops Here" the sign that Bushie threw out the first day he was in office along with his copy of the Constitution.

Nice leap, by the way from "knows status of HIS plane every moment" to "daily report on force readiness". As if they are remotely the same thing.

Hummmmm!

McBear/Obama....... Obama/McBear ..... they both seem to have excuses for everything that they screw up on......... like to blow smoke where the sun don't shine...... ain't against bald faced lying ........... and love to point out any fault they can on anyone who doesn't swim in their sesspool.

And though you don't know it "SKEETER" .....................AF1 is part of that daily report as it is not only a conveyance for Presidential transportation, but it is also the tactical headquarters for the President should he have to "get out of Dodge" in a hurry and conduct business as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

Start using your head for something other than a hatrack ....... "OTAY"!
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If that whole thing was for a photo op of AF1 and the statue of Liberty, couldn't they have saved the $300+k and Photoshoped it? See, I should be consulted on this kind of shit, call me the head of the department of common sense.

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AF1 is part of that daily report as it is not only a conveyance for Presidential transportation, but it is also the tactical headquarters for the President should he have to "get out of Dodge" in a hurry and conduct business as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces

So which of the rotating pair was on stand by alert and by your estimation under Barack's immediate control? Do you think the ready plane was sent for the flyover?

I suppose your next contention ought to include the secondary craft and its disposition as well.

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