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Query which is more traumatic, dead pirates or being a hostage for weeks or months? And with a cruise ship full of people, you know that would not turn out well.
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You forget the third possibility ... dead pirates and dead crew in which case the ship turns into a war zone.
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You never let the bad guys get on board. Remember,..you're on top looking down at them.
They go away ...or they're history.
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Boiling oil from the deep fryers in the kitchen. I saw an article years ago about a car developed in South Africa that had flame thrower pipes coming up from under the driver's door to thwart carjackers. They pound on the door and you release the propane for an urban BBQ. Should be adaptable for marine use.

A mobile chain gun would be fun too.
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The easiest way to be attacked is to appear that you have no means of defending yourself.

Put about 6 - 50 cal mounts and have 30 more crew members with m-14's and no pirate is going to attack you.

And should they be stupid enough to attempt to probe then warn them off via loudspeaker. If they still continue to follow them open up on them and sink their boat and keep going.

The US should send a message loud and clear and hang the one that they have in jail right now. If that seems too brutal then take him back to the exact spot where they got him and let him out!

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So long as the waterline of your boat isn't flammable, using a flamethrower as they closed in would probably be quite useful. The liquid would hit the water around their boat, floating on it and burning, probably be quite unappealing...but that's just a guess.
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So long as the waterline of your boat isn't flammable, using a flamethrower as they closed in would probably be quite useful. The liquid would hit the water around their boat, floating on it and burning, probably be quite unappealing...but that's just a guess.
Greg!

You seem liike a take charge kind of guy who actually put some brain cells into your answer!

Actually! I'm a bit impressed!

Of course you might not want to put ssomething like that on a tanker, but on a cruise boat it would surely "be the shit"!

Though you still may want to have armed men on board as far as I know there isn't anyone in this world who isn't affraid of be burnt alive!
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Well, I actually sympathize to some extent with the plight of the Somali people. That said, I absolutely and vehemently disagree with this repugnant crap propounded by a few well organized and financed criminals and they're surely preying on the hungry and ignorant to actually take the risk in these ventures.

I've proposed a technological solution that would be ideal and limit bloodshed and hijacking, would take some time to implement but once in place that would be it, at least for cargo ships with small crews. Cruise liners, I can't understand why they would even take that risk. Basically it involves a remote control room that can't be overridden or accessed, so even if the pirates board they can't stop it or change it's course. They could do some damage if they chose, but in the meanwhile they'd be steaming along at full speed away from their homeland and motherships.

FWIW, tankers are among the safest ships out there, you could drive them through a burning sea and probably not even see the smoke on the water. Steel hulls aren't going to get very hot since much of it is in the ocean and the flames wouldn't last long enough to do anything anyway. Actually it's a bad idea for the ecosystem itself, since kerosene isn't really kind to ocean life, but after you torch a few dozen of those things you have to think the frequency would drop off.

Bottom line is something has to be done about a country that has no government. About 20% of ransom dollars go to line the pocket of the local governments so they'll turn a blind eye to the criminal element. So long as that continues and people are hungry and angry there will always be those who choose the unlawful means.
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My, my... even some goody two shoes are for giving the business to the bad guys, and in a manner that may be compared to what they criticize about CIA operatives.

Meanwhile, those poor famish souls have nobody to defend them...

What happens in the Golf of Aden, or off it in the Indian Ocean is pitiful. What really surprises me, given the interests involved, is how can there are no subs deployed in the area for mysteriously having those pirates disappear without trace. This among superstitious cultures could work harder as a deterrent than tough torture.

Cheers, and accept the opening paragraph as a tongue in cheek statement, JV.


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... as far as I know there isn't anyone in this world who isn't affraid of be burnt alive!


And then there is...

Self-Immolation Tragically Frequent Among Afghan Women

Jason Motlagh | Bio | 22 Jun 2007
World Politics Review Exclusive

HERAT, Afghanistan -- Thirteen-year-old Morvary's face had melted away as a candle does, with only the faintest of breaths as proof she was still alive after setting herself ablaze.

Mummified in white gauze and full of morphine to ease the pain of third-degree burns covering her entire body, she died two days later at Herat regional hospital, yet another victim in this conservative Western province where nearly 100 self-immolation cases were recorded last year.

Human rights officials and doctors say the real number is much higher since only those who seek help are registered and even then causes are not always possible to pin down.

Morvary's sister, Maghul, tattooed on her forehead with symbols of the nomadic Kuchi tribe, tried to explain it was and accident. But a burn ward official intervened and told of an uglier reality.

"This is not true," said Nurse Drazalakha. "The patients that come here usually say it was accidental, by a gas explosion or something like this, but when we investigate we find that they almost always have burned themselves."

Family problems stemming from forced marriage and abusive husbands, poverty, low education, shame and ignorance; these are the driving factors in most instances, the nurse said.

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