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I would put it another way..... You're not totally disagreeing with me....

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It is amazing how quickly people forget what really happened. We had a whole team of UN weapon inspectors in Iraq just before the invasion looking exactly for - you know WMDs. When they could not come up with anything, Bush and his cronies became impatient and started claiming that Saddam must be clearly hiding those weapons in his palaces. They demanded that Saddam give those inspectors permission to search his palaces. This permission was granted. The search of several palaces turned up nothing. At this point the inspection team asked for several weeks of additional time to complete the inspections.
Bush administration, in fear that no WMDs will be found and that their main justification for war will prove to be nothing but hot air, decided to immediately pull all of the UN weapon inspectors out of Iraq, claiming that Saddam was lying and hiding his weapons. So Bush kicked out all the inspectors and gave Saddam I believe 48 hours to leave the country or be invaded. (And of course the charade at the US where Colin Powell presented the "proof" of WMDs in Iraq).
This is how I remember these events 6 years ago as I was following them closely.

It is a not a matter of polling our opinion whether this invasion was criminal or not - by international law standards and opinions of legal experts it was criminal. According to what was known at the time, Bush should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, as 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and NONE were Iraqis. Instead Bush claimed that Saudis are our friends and secretly ordered the FBI to fly quite of few members of Osama bin Laden's family who happened to be here at the time, out of the US. And here lies the biggest hypocrisy of all.

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It is amazing how quickly people forget what really happened. We had a whole team of UN weapon inspectors in Iraq just before the invasion looking exactly for - you know WMDs. When they could not come up with anything, Bush and his cronies became impatient and started claiming that Saddam must be clearly hiding those weapons in his palaces. They demanded that Saddam give those inspectors permission to search his palaces. This permission was granted. The search of several palaces turned up nothing. At this point the inspection team asked for several weeks of additional time to complete the inspections.
Bush administration, in fear that no WMDs will be found and that their main justification for war will prove to be nothing but hot air, decided to immediately pull all of the UN weapon inspectors out of Iraq, claiming that Saddam was lying and hiding his weapons. So Bush kicked out all the inspectors and gave Saddam I believe 48 hours to leave the country or be invaded. (And of course the charade at the US where Colin Powell presented "proof" of WMDs in Iraq.
This is how I remember these events 6 years ago as I was following them closely.

It is a not a matter of polling our opinion whether this invasion was criminal or not - by international law standards it was criminal. According to what was known at the time, Bush should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, as 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Instead Bush claimed that Saudis are our friends and secretly ordered the FBI top fly quite of few members of Osama bin Laden's family who happened to be here at the time, out of the US. And here lies the biggest hypocrisy of all.
Right on the money and correct in every way.
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It is amazing how quickly people forget what really happened. We had a whole team of UN weapon inspectors in Iraq just before the invasion looking exactly for - you know WMDs. When they could not come up with anything, Bush and his cronies became impatient and started claiming that Saddam must be clearly hiding those weapons in his palaces. They demanded that Saddam give those inspectors permission to search his palaces. This permission was granted. The search of several palaces turned up nothing. At this point the inspection team asked for several weeks of additional time to complete the inspections.
You seem to have conveniently left out the rest of the story: Saddam also kicked out the inspectors on a number of occasions giving even the clumsiest of troops enough time to move literally tons of equipment and supplies.

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Bush administration, in fear that no WMDs will be found and that their main justification for war will prove to be nothing but hot air, decided to immediately pull all of the UN weapon inspectors out of Iraq, claiming that Saddam was lying and hiding his weapons. So Bush kicked out all the inspectors and gave Saddam I believe 48 hours to leave the country or be invaded. (And of course the charade at the US where Colin Powell presented the "proof" of WMDs in Iraq).
This is how I remember these events 6 years ago as I was following them closely.
You have a poor recollection of the situation.
Bush couldn’t “kick out” the inspectors, they weren’t under his control, they were UN inspectors.

The rest of your post is equally flawed, please get at least SOME of your story straight, it makes you look foolish..........

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Most of the UN inspectors were Americans so who do you think had more weight on them?
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The UN inspectors were actually recalled by the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, under pressure from Washington and immediate threat of war. Which does not change the meaning much.

But, I am sure that you do not find Bush's explanations flawed at all.
Here is an interesting link:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason...3/31/bush_lies

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The UN inspectors were actually recalled by the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, under pressure from Washington and immediate threat of war. Which does not change the meaning much.
But, I am sure that you do not find Bush's explanations flawed at all.
Here is an interesting link:
"Saddam chose to deny inspectors" | Salon
I don't know whose report is wrong but what I got was a memo from Annan to the inspectors reading "Fellows come back, Bush invited us for coffee in Washington".

Too bad Annan is no longer at the UN to check it.
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How could you possibly get an accurate count in a country like that in a war like that? They don't even know how many people died under Saddam.

How honest is the tally? Did they include everyone who died of any cause or really just the victims of violence? What percentage was Muslim on Muslim violence? How many died of US ordinance?

I never believed the 600k BS and less than 100k sounds a little more reasonable. Neither are accurate in my opinion but it does temper the stupid 600k claim.
Sometime last year World Health Organization revamped their figures [I posted it up] that knocked the 500K-600K number down to 300K. And that was based on better data that counted only violence related deaths and incorporated those who had previously been declared dead that had, in fact be displaced to other countries but found. That stack of folks made up 250K.

WHO is really good at how they do this. Unfortunately they have a ton of experience at it. What is so odd is that they come up with numbers and folks take sides that "it is wrong" whenever it casts such a bad light on THEIR leader but take the number as gospel when it is used to justify why we should go into a country [have you ever heard anyone on the right question the number of Kurds that Saddam killed when using that particular justification for invading Iraq? - same group doing the census].

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You better tell that to the Clintons, MI-5, the CIA, NATO, the UN, and a few others I can't think of offhand, and the answer to your question is that YOU are misleading, or at least trying to....
You might ought to recheck your sources. Apparently, under oath in Congress and before congressional committee they seemed somewhat less confident in those assertions.

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