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Let's address the Abraham part.

He is not God. He is the father of Judaism through his son Issac. The son Abraham had his son Ishmael with his concubine and Islam claims their lineage through him.

Now Jesus.
Jesus is God. God is the same now as he ever was and will never change. He is not vengeful to man. He is a loving God and that is shown throughout the Bible.

Finally NT/OT
There came a point 2k years ago that God felt man could hold more without abandoning the lessons of the OT. Aardvark describes the coming of Jesus well. Muslims believe there was another turn several hundred years later. Mormons think Joe Smith with his magic crystal signaled the modern day turn. Dope believes that, well, he thinks he is his own god.


The Bible, Stu? Who wrote the Bible and if you could let me know who worte the Koran, I want to know where he the idea for that 4 wives thing.........
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I did not write "the god Abraham", I wrote "the god of Abraham". I understand the lineage.

The OT and NT describe gods as different as day and night. Rationalize it away all you want, that is the simple truth of it. Since no one who knew Jesus, wrote of Jesus, the NT is essentially a bunch of hand-me-down mumbo-jumbo, but the message I see conveyed is of a young Jewish rabbi encouraging folks to reject the spiteful, jealous god of the OT in favor of a new loving, caring god. Given that he was a rabbi, this was an extremely difficult and dangerous task to undertake. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus claim to be anything other than a mortal man, and of course we all know that the pagan Romans threw the virgin birth in to add a little spice to an otherwise lackluster religion.

No need to argue the point, I realize this view topples the very foundations of your faith, and is thus heretical.

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I did not write "the god Abraham", I wrote "the god of Abraham". I understand the lineage.

The OT and NT describe gods as different as day and night. Rationalize it away all you want, that is the simple truth of it. Since no one who knew Jesus, wrote of Jesus, the NT is essentially a bunch of hand-me-down mumbo-jumbo, but the message I see conveyed is of a young Jewish rabbi encouraging folks to reject the spiteful, jealous god of the OT in favor of a new loving, caring god. Given that he was a rabbi, this was an extremely difficult and dangerous task to undertake. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus claim to be anything other than a mortal man, and of course we all know that the pagan Romans threw the virgin birth in to add a little spice to an otherwise lackluster religion.

No need to argue the point, I realize this view topples the very foundations of your faith, and is thus heretical.
You must admit, we got a lot of imagination
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The Bible, Stu? Who wrote the Bible and if you could let me know who worte the Koran, I want to know where he the idea for that 4 wives thing.........
Pick up a "study Bible" preferably a NIV published by Zondervan and look at the beginning of each book. There will be a non-biblical reference section describing the book and either the actual author or the who it is generally attributed to. The Bible is not the actual word of God, rather it is the inspired word of God written by man.

As I understand, the Koran is the actual word of Allah spoken to Mohammed and transcribed by someone else since he could not write. I have no idea where the multi wifey thing comes from. Don't you have enough to handle with just one? I know I do. If your version of Islam doesn't allow for polygamy then you should become a Morman and form your own cult. Lotsa wives and your own planet to boot! Sex for eternity and you send your little space kiddies down to populate your planet. Call it planet Expat!

I saw a great comic that I wish I had kept titled "Why there are no female polygamists". Five guys sitting on a couch drinking beer and watching the game and the wife says "Five of you and no one took out the garbage?". I'd appreciate it if someone can dig it up on the net.
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I did not write "the god Abraham", I wrote "the god of Abraham". I understand the lineage.

The OT and NT describe gods as different as day and night. Rationalize it away all you want, that is the simple truth of it. Since no one who knew Jesus, wrote of Jesus, the NT is essentially a bunch of hand-me-down mumbo-jumbo, but the message I see conveyed is of a young Jewish rabbi encouraging folks to reject the spiteful, jealous god of the OT in favor of a new loving, caring god. Given that he was a rabbi, this was an extremely difficult and dangerous task to undertake. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus claim to be anything other than a mortal man, and of course we all know that the pagan Romans threw the virgin birth in to add a little spice to an otherwise lackluster religion.

No need to argue the point, I realize this view topples the very foundations of your faith, and is thus heretical.

Sorry, F'd up, blew it, ignore I said it.
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No need to argue the point, I realize this view topples the very foundations of your faith, and is thus heretical.

Once again, not even close. So many fallacies in your statement.
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Let's address the Abraham part.

He is not God. He is the father of Judaism through his son Issac. The son Abraham had his son Ishmael with his concubine and Islam claims their lineage through him.

Now Jesus.
Jesus is God. God is the same now as he ever was and will never change. He is not vengeful to man. He is a loving God and that is shown throughout the Bible.

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Insofar that all religion and their attendant gods are inventions of mankind, this is probably the most sensible thing you have posted for months.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Seneca
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Sorry, F'd up, blew it, ignore I said it.
Sorry, this is the most sensible thing you have posted in months.

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Well, they probably stole it from the Egyptians (Horus). What the heck, if you're going to make up a story, may as well make it a really good one.

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