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And Murtha yet again

I just love how Murtha sticks it in the country's eye every time.

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Poster boy for the Looney Left.
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Damn that Rightwing Washington Post for going after yet another...wait, what Post. But the kids on the right say they are a liberal newspaper. How could this be?

But how about good ol Hal Rogers' $466M for Southeast Kentucky. And frankly, having driven through in the past month, I couldn't tell you where $466 were spend, much less the extra six ZEROS. With 10+% unemployment for years and crumbling infrastructure, the millions must be going to someone.

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Rogers and U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who like his Kentucky counterpart hails from an economically strapped region struggling to bring in new industry, stand out as prime examples of this practice, said William Allison, senior fellow at the Sunlight Foundation, a non-profit group that advocates for transparency in government.
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Bear, please don't support Murtha. He's not worth it. He will go the way of Teddy K. Just a sideshow.
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Bear, please don't support Murtha. He's not worth it. He will go the way of Teddy K. Just a sideshow.
I'm not, and I haven't. He is old school Politician, no matter the party.

His views on Iraq and Haditha have made him a lightning rod that he didn't always deserve but overall, I don't his spending earmarks. They have seemed for years to be disproportional.

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I'm not, and I haven't. He is old school Politician, no matter the party.

His views on Iraq and Haditha have made him a lightning rod that he didn't always deserve but overall, I don't his spending earmarks. They have seemed for years to be disproportional.
Yes indeed and he should be run out for his comments about Haditha in particular.

I have yet to meet a single Marine, former or current, who agrees with what he did. They may have agreed with the sentiment of get out of Iraq etc. but to a person each one has said that Murtha was wrong for branding the Marines as cold blooded murderers. On top of that doing so in a manner that indicated that the information came from the Commandant himself.

Now throw in his earmarks and ABSCAM ties and I can see how people re-elected him.

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Yes indeed and he should be run out for his comments about Haditha in particular.

I have yet to meet a single Marine, former or current, who agrees with what he did. They may have agreed with the sentiment of get out of Iraq etc. but to a person each one has said that Murtha was wrong for branding the Marines as cold blooded murderers. On top of that doing so in a manner that indicated that the information came from the Commandant himself.

Now throw in his earmarks and ABSCAM ties and I can see how people re-elected him.
My memory of the Haditha Report suggests that the information that he provided was essentially correct. The official report showed that officers lied to investigators and covered up information on the event.

I have been in firefights so I fully understand how things can go upsidedown so I am not in anyway looking at the Marine issue other that what I have seen in the official report. But to suggest that Murtha, or anyone else did wrong by shining a spotlight on the events is just wrong. We have to abide by rules of engagement 100% of the time. It is one of the things that separates Americans from many other militaries in the world. And when we don't, that has to be addressed harshly, whether Marines or Zoomies or even swabbies, if they ever put their ass in a firefight [SEALs excepted]

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My memory of the Haditha Report suggests that the information that he provided was essentially correct. The official report showed that officers lied to investigators and covered up information on the event.

I have been in firefights so I fully understand how things can go upsidedown so I am not in anyway looking at the Marine issue other that what I have seen in the official report. But to suggest that Murtha, or anyone else did wrong by shining a spotlight on the events is just wrong. We have to abide by rules of engagement 100% of the time. It is one of the things that separates Americans from many other militaries in the world. And when we don't, that has to be addressed harshly, whether Marines or Zoomies or even swabbies, if they ever put their ass in a firefight [SEALs excepted]
And this is why the investigatory process is so important. People going off half cocked and trying to make points always hurts somebody.

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Charges dropped

On April 17, 2007, the Marine Corps dropped all charges against Sgt. Sanick P. De la Cruz in exchange for his testimony. Seven other Marines involved in the incident have also been granted immunity.[48]

On August 9, 2007, all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt and Capt. Randy Stone were dropped.[35] On October 19th, Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt's commanding officer decided the charges should be lowered to involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.[10]

On September 18, 2007, all charges against Captain Lucas McConnell were dropped in exchange for immunity and his cooperation with the investigation.[49]

On March 28, 2008, all charges against LCpl. Stephen Tatum were dropped.[50]

On June 17, 2008, all charges against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani were dismissed by the military judge citing unlawful command influence.[12] The Marine Corps has appealed that ruling.

Now we see that all the charges have been dropped except against Wuterich. A Far cry from Murtha's charges of:

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"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
All of this done at a press conference to mark the six month anniversary of his initial call for "redeployment" of US forces in Iraq.

That is what sickens me the most. He threw good men under the bus and ruined careers so that he could make political points.

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And this is why the investigatory process is so important. People going off half cocked and trying to make points always hurts somebody.

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On April 17, 2007, the Marine Corps dropped all charges against Sgt. Sanick P. De la Cruz in exchange for his testimony. Seven other Marines involved in the incident have also been granted immunity.[48]

On August 9, 2007, all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt and Capt. Randy Stone were dropped.[35] On October 19th, Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt's commanding officer decided the charges should be lowered to involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.[10]

On September 18, 2007, all charges against Captain Lucas McConnell were dropped in exchange for immunity and his cooperation with the investigation.[49]

On March 28, 2008, all charges against LCpl. Stephen Tatum were dropped.[50]

On June 17, 2008, all charges against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani were dismissed by the military judge citing unlawful command influence.[12] The Marine Corps has appealed that ruling.

Now we see that all the charges have been dropped except against Wuterich. A Far cry from Murtha's charges of:



All of this done at a press conference to mark the six month anniversary of his initial call for "redeployment" of US forces in Iraq.

That is what sickens me the most. He threw good men under the bus and ruined careers so that he could make political points.
Your source sends a very mixed message. It does NOT suggest in the least that these Marines did nothing wrong. It says that charges were dropped because they were granted immunity in exchange for their testimony. I see nothing in Wiki or the original report to suggest innocence.

As for the investigative process, remember, Murtha got his initial information during a briefing from a Marine in a Defense subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee in which he is a ranking member. Also remember Murtha is also a retired Marine with Viet Nam experience. So he is not just somebody from out in Left field.

Again, I only go by the report I read. It is consistent, as is your wiki information with what he said. He was blunt about it but I would expect that from a retired Marine Colonel.

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