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...Why is it so hard for "Americans" to remember that we are immigrants? Does no one remember the Statue of Liberty and what she stands for?
We haven't been immigrants, most of us, for approaching 100 years. Three generations back in my family were all born here. The only immigrants I know of have been underground since before I was a child.

Lots has changed, Sheltonn.
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No cheap labor = lower standard of living.


Fucking think about it.
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So here are some honest questions:
1) What differentiates an illegal immigrant from a legal one? It's the work permit, isn't it?
1.a.) Is a lot of this hysteria basically down to the fact that some paperwork didn't get filled out? Isn't it simpler to get them to fill out the paperwork in question than it is to hunt them down like Elian Gonzales and ship them out of the country?
2) Are these people paying their fair share in taxes or not?
3) Are they, as a whole, draining the counties in which they reside of resources that should go to help citizens who play by the rules?
4) Are illegal immigrants and their families essentially funnels for American dollars that leave our economy and go straight to Mexico?
Maybe the answers to these questions will help us all find a way to make peace with the situation, and come to a determination as to what remedies are fair and right.
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Your questionnaire brings Dickens to my mind: They are the best of questions and they are the worst of questions. The best, because the fact has to be addressed and solved one way or another. The worst, because it is a problem which should not be generalized or, on the other side of the coin, concentrated in the Mexican quiz. This is what I think:

1. If it were just a matter of paperwork, let's just close the Visa Section in the American Consulates and the Immigration Booths at the Ports of Entry. Why not, well first focus on Europe for a moment. As a result of the EU expansion, countries like Germany and Italy have devised means to limit work permits and legal entry of new foreign nationals of certain countries of the EU. This has nothing to do with the pressure of the riots in France or Germany -the riots are solely the product of ignorance, despair and frustration. We are in a position where more people in the labor market worsen, rather than help solve, the crisis problems. This would bring unrest, from the laid off workers who would see the immigrants as unfair competition, and from the immigrants in their frustration to find a job to earn a living (plus being without money). They steal our jobs vs there are no jobs routine.
Besides, the Visa process helps separate positive problems before they happen: number of people entering, health and means, and the eternal political considerations (right, wrong or indiferent, they are there).

2. Who knows. If they have a job above board yes. The balance scale is so far negative. Incidentally, you probably know that sales taxes are intended to make those of lesser means pay taxes.

3. Some are. Health care, food stamps, public education, welfare, are tapped by a great contingent of people without means -in some areas undocumented people who cannot get or wouldn't find a job. Pay back compensation is difficult because of the fine line between civil rights violation and the rights of the community.

4. Mexico is just one country which happens to be next door. It is the same as the rest of the world who wants to live States side. The fact that it is being singled out is because of the extremely large influx of potential immigrants.
To illustrate the mentality of the immigrant with very few brain skills, there was this fellow who entered at JFK on a Saturday, happy as he could be, thinking of the money to be found everywhere. On his way out he sees in the middle of the concourse a 50 dollar bill. He bent down and was about to pick it up when he thought "I'm just in, it is Saturday, ah... I'll pass and start to work on Monday".

Simple problem_ Ha, ha. Wish you the best of luck in solving it.

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We haven't been immigrants, most of us, for approaching 100 years. Three generations back in my family were all born here. The only immigrants I know of have been underground since before I was a child.

Lots has changed, Sheltonn.
You need to move to one of the coasts for a couple of years to gain a better perspective of what this country is about. There is a reason that Caucasians are going to be a minority by 2042. And that is with fully LEGAL immigrants.

I am not sure the "lots has changed" is what you think it is.

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Mexico needs to play a part in this too. They have failed to step up. A few years ago we shut down the border for a few days. Got their attention real fast.
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Mexico needs to play a part in this too. They have failed to step up. A few years ago we shut down the border for a few days. Got their attention real fast.
We have a 1969 mile border with Mexico. At what point was "IT" closed down?

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To address the illegal immigration issue, you must first ask a few questions:
1/ How well the Immigration Reform Act of 1986 works?
2/ What did we learn & not learn from the Immigration Reform Act of 1986?
3/ What are we going to do after the new Immigration Reform of 2009 or 2010 to prevent this from happening again?
4/ What are the motives behind the new Immigration Reform Act?

I can tell you the Reform Act of 1986 did not work well, otherwise we won't be here talking about the same issue 23 years later. And I will guarantee you we will be talking about the same issue 23 years later if we all live long enough.

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To address the illegal immigration issue, you must first ask a few questions:
1/ How well the Immigration Reform Act of 1986 works?
2/ What did we learn & not learn from the Immigration Reform Act of 1986?
3/ What are we going to do after the new Immigration Reform of 2009 or 2010 to prevent this from happening again?
4/ What are the motives behind the new Immigration Reform Act?

I can tell you the Reform Act of 1986 did not work well, otherwise we won't be here talking about the same issue 23 years later. And I will guarantee you we will be talking about the same issue 23 years later if we all live long enough.
Most other countries don't talk about the issue because they control their borders. Once that element is achieved, the problem should reduce to a very manageable level. It won't go away, but it will not be the multi Millions issue that it is now.

Of course the carrot that illegals are given, "jobs without questions" must also be addressed going forward. As we move more toward a more electronic society [and I am not happy about that] the "pay by cash" for repeat labor will go away. That won't stop your lawn or pool guy from getting paid in cash but it will put a crimp in the construction companies who pay roofers and block layers and framers cash weekly.

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You need to move to one of the coasts for a couple of years to gain a better perspective of what this country is about. There is a reason that Caucasians are going to be a minority by 2042. And that is with fully LEGAL immigrants.

I am not sure the "lots has changed" is what you think it is.
That was poorly worded. The only immigrants in my family that I know of have been dead for ages and ages.

Also, not every coast is laden with illegal immigrants who follow the all-to-common paths accessible only to the impoverished.
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We have a 1969 mile border with Mexico. At what point was "IT" closed down?
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