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So the military is doing a better job than what the civilian Dept of Corrections are doing.

Also, you can not just throw out the issue of Gang Warfare and such. Just look at what happened with the prison where John Walker Lindh was held, Mazār-e Sharīf. Definitely not a place where the Single Cell Single Prisoner thing was going on.
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You might want to read the numbers again. The civilian prison has a rate that is .56X of the Military rate once you remove gang warfare.

John Walker Lindh was sentenced and sent to the US prison system, not the Military system [he was in Victorville] so the gang warfare issue is still not within the MILITARY system in A'stan/Iraq [the report areas].
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I was using him as reference to when he was held in the Mazār-e Sharīf facility. You know, when he ratted out Mike Spann and further cemented his status as a traitorous bastard who should be sent to a very lonely place.

So what your saying in your typically clear fashion is what exactly?
You said "you might not want to throw out Gang Warfare" and then the next sentence said "Just look at what happened with the prison where John Walker Lindh was held". The juxtaposition and structure of those two sentences convey the thought that you were linking gang warfare and John Lindh.

I pointed out that he was attacked by gangs while in the custody of the US Prison system while in Victorville, NOT while under the custody of the Military. Since we were discussing gangs and attacks and death that seemed to be the logical flow of the conversation. I was unaware that "ratting out" had entered into the mix.

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You said "you might not want to throw out Gang Warfare" and then the next sentence said "Just look at what happened with the prison where John Walker Lindh was held". The juxtaposition and structure of those two sentences convey the thought that you were linking gang warfare and John Lindh.

I pointed out that he was attacked by gangs while in the custody of the US Prison system while in Victorville, NOT while under the custody of the Military. Since we were discussing gangs and attacks and death that seemed to be the logical flow of the conversation. I was unaware that "ratting out" had entered into the mix.
And I named the prison! Don't know why that was confusing. The ratting out is a footnote. The prison at Mazār-e Sharīf was a large open area holding facility run by the northern Alliance.

As we do not know the original report's criteria for who was a US detainee or not this whole point about Mazār-e Sharīf may be moot.

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And I named the prison! Don't know why that was confusing. The ratting out is a footnote. The prison at Mazār-e Sharīf was a large open area holding facility run by the northern Alliance.

As we do not know the original report's criteria for who was a US detainee or not this whole point about Mazār-e Sharīf may be moot.
You are making no Fn sense. This is the second or third post in a row where you just type words and seem to hope they mean something in the end.

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You are making no Fn sense. This is the second or third post in a row where you just type words and seem to hope they mean something in the end.

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I see now why you don't understand simple words in sentences sometimes, you get tired!

That is ok, we understand that this happens more frequently with our more seasoned citizens.

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The following is an exercise in perspective. Let me be very clear that any bastard that kills a prisoner should pay the price.

So let me see here. Out of 65,000 prisoners roughly .0016% have died while in U.S. Custody. And of that .0016% roughly .0003% are being investigated as POSSIBLE abuse.

We are absolute bastards! Mein Got! Vere iz zee outrage! We are obviously running around and indiscriminately killing our prisoners! Shame! Outrage! Visceral Hate!

I wonder what the mortality rate of that demographic is without the treatment they receive from us.

Set 'em all free. Catch and release. The Border Patrol does it and they have plenty of takers.
You are off two decimal points.

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The following is an exercise in perspective. Let me be very clear that any bastard that kills a prisoner should pay the price.

So let me see here. Out of 65,000 prisoners roughly .0016% have died while in U.S. Custody. And of that .0016% roughly .0003% are being investigated as POSSIBLE abuse.

We are absolute bastards! Mein Got! Vere iz zee outrage! We are obviously running around and indiscriminately killing our prisoners! Shame! Outrage! Visceral Hate!

I wonder what the mortality rate of that demographic is without the treatment they receive from us.

Set 'em all free. Catch and release. The Border Patrol does it and they have plenty of takers.
That would be .166. That .16% would be a 100% for the prisoners we killed. That .16% would be a 100% if it was you or a family member. These kind of stats "sound" great but not for someone who is directly affected. Now imagine that there was a surgical procedure that had a 1% mortality rate. For me to tell that to a patient who had to go through this procedure would be easy that out of a 100 only 1 person dies. But the patients is thinking what if he is that 1 unlucky person; the mortality rate would be 100% for him.

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