Please show us where he has called for an armed rebellion against the government.
You think we are fools? We get the code. "Some day we may have to take this nation back by force" is a standard line along with another huge litany of cyrpto-rightwing code. We get it, dude, don't try to pass your line of bullshit off on us.
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You bring up ancient history. We bring up the fact that we have right wing talking heads formenting violence, and now we have a Texas governor preaching secession, something my great-grandfather would have gladly shot him in the head for, along with the rest of the state of New Hampshire for the last 150 years or so. You right wingers are trying to destablize the US. I think it is time everyone sees that you clowns want to treat this country like a banana republic, that legal elections mean nothing to you people, and apparently to the governor of Texas, neither does the US Constitution. Use Ayers for a strawman all you want, what people are seeing is current reality, you nuts have stacks of guns that dwarf anything any hippie radicals ever had, huge amounts of military bomb-making know how, and you may try to take over the US by force - your own leader Beck has said exactly that, in a country where you have at best, 22% support at this point, that is going to attempt to rule the other 88% of us at gunpoint. We need to keep an eye on you nuts. Southern battle flags represent treason, it amazes me you fanatics bitch when Mexicans wave their own flag, yet you all cheer when the flag of a proto-fascist slave nation that attempted to destroy the USA is one of the main features of your political rallies. Secession, treason, calls for armed responses to a legal election, and you think the DHS is out of line? My ass.
The current reality is that we have a President that has anarchists for friends, your subterfuge not withstanding.
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No more news here. Janet "Tail Gunner Joe" Napolitano did a lame attempt this morning at retracting "a footnote" from the original statement.
I can sleep better now knowing that 0 will not do a wholesale roundup of the opposition. There are remnants of a WWII internment camp down the road that could be reopened if I act up.
You think we are fools? We get the code. "Some day we may have to take this nation back by force" is a standard line along with another huge litany of cyrpto-rightwing code. We get it, dude, don't try to pass your line of bullshit off on us.
Oh the CODE...well now you got us evil Conservatives there.
Crap! Hey guys! Guys! Yeah you Right Wing Extremists! Yeah you! Yeah they figured out the code. We're calling the civil war off. Yeah I know, it's a bummer. They got some smart guys for libs. Turns out they figgered out our super secret code.
Dude! You should go on tour with stuff! You are hysterical. You have that whole Woody Allen schtick working for you.
Let me guess...you have been stocking up on your guns and ammo too? This was floating around the net this week.
I think this is FTL showing us how prepared he is for the upcoming insurrection that we had to call off because he knows the code.
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You like to target McVey, but the military doesn't have a corner on the terrorist market. It seems to me that an acquaintance or two of Obama might fit into the picture as well, do names like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn ring a bell?
They may not have killed as many as McVey, but it wasn't because they weren't trying, but rather because they didn't have the opportunity. They have said as much.
I guess because these are left wingers, their wrong doing doesn't carry the weight it did in the past?
Your response is irresponsibly unbalanced. We have had precious few significant terror attacks on our country from our own citizens. When looking out for who might be suspected of such activities in the future, you want those in charge of the public safety to write anyone who served in the military off the list of potential suspects merely because they are veterans, even though the most horrific such attack in our history was perpetrated by a veteran? Don't you see that playing the veteran card at this table is going to be trumped by simple logic?
How about fighting for respect for veterans by insisting they be given timely and competent medical treatment for damages suffered while in service, and effective training for actual skills in demand in the private sector so they can get jobs? To suggest that another shithead like McVey lurking in the ranks of those in service today should be allowed to progress down a path leading to using unique skills he acquired in the military against American citizens because of his service to the country is unsupportable. That you take this as an affront to all veterans is another example of your hypersensitivity to how veterans or those in still in military service are perceived.
I agree we treat veterans without the regard their service has earned them. But that service does not absolve them of being susceptible to doing wrong once out of the service. You seem to think it does. And that is where we differ. These "kids" volunteer from all walks of life, but the number who come from areas that are economically depressed or families that are at the low end of the income spread are significantly higher than used to be the case when there was a draft. Further the lowering of the admission standards of late has added risk that when soldiers return to civilian life, and times are tough, that some (McVey showed it doesn't take many) might return to a life of subversion and crime, only now they are mentally and physically equipped to do more damage than before they were trained by the military. Including them in the group being watched is prudent. Not to do so would be recklessly irresponsible, based on the facts.
No more news here. Janet "Tail Gunner Joe" Napolitano did a lame attempt this morning at retracting "a footnote" from the original statement.
I can sleep better now knowing that 0 will not do a wholesale roundup of the opposition. There are remnants of a WWII internment camp down the road that could be reopened if I act up.
Be honest, you know that is where your little right wing militia meets three times a week now!
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Your response is irresponsibly unbalanced. We have had precious few significant terror attacks on our country from our own citizens. When looking out for who might be suspected of such activities in the future, you want those in charge of the public safety to write anyone who served in the military off the list of potential suspects merely because they are veterans, even though the most horrific such attack in our history was perpetrated by a veteran?
No, I don't expect veterans to be written off just because they are veterans, but by the same token I don't like the idea of them being singled out for special attention either.
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Don't you see that playing the veteran card at this table is going to be trumped by simple logic?
Unfortunately YOUR logic is flawed
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How about fighting for respect for veterans by insisting they be given timely and competent medical treatment for damages suffered while in service, and effective training for actual skills in demand in the private sector so they can get jobs? To suggest that another shithead like McVey lurking in the ranks of those in service today should be allowed to progress down a path leading to using unique skills he acquired in the military against American citizens because of his service to the country is unsupportable. That you take this as an affront to all veterans is another example of your hypersensitivity to how veterans or those in still in military service are perceived.
Could have, would have, should have is no argument, there are just as many civilians out there that can and do handle the ANFO that was used in Oak City, yet they are not singled out as the vets were.
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I agree we treat veterans without the regard their service has earned them. But that service does not absolve them of being susceptible to doing wrong once out of the service. You seem to think it does. And that is where we differ. These "kids" volunteer from all walks of life, but the number who come from areas that are economically depressed or families that are at the low end of the income spread are significantly higher than used to be the case when there was a draft. Further the lowering of the admission standards of late has added risk that when soldiers return to civilian life, and times are tough, that some (McVey showed it doesn't take many) might return to a life of subversion and crime, only now they are mentally and physically equipped to do more damage than before they were trained by the military. Including them in the group being watched is prudent. Not to do so would be recklessly irresponsible, based on the facts.
Jim
Jim the problem is not with the service men and women, it's with the fact that they were singled out. There are far more disgruntled people on the outside of the military than there are on the inside.
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