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Prices went up on unfounded fear as demand rose and hording became the norm. My neighbor buys guns, holds them for six months and sells them for 100% markup. He's been doing it for a while but this time he made so much money that he was able to finally fix his Ferrari by paying me for the repairs. So yeah, I too benefited
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Defensive: well your post speaks for itself.

as for cross posting it was a joke hence the "" at the end of it.
I think the word you were looking for was impatient, not defensive. And yes, I saw the smilie.

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I am sorry but what do you people not understand about "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."?

That means that any law that restricts the sale of weapons to a law abiding citizen of the US, who has not otherwise had certain rights stripped (i.e. convicted felon) is unconstitutional.

Why is this so hard to understand?
The kids on the right have already decided that the Fourth Amendment can be changed "if it makes us safer" by allowing warrantless wiretaps, sneak and peak searches, etc. The kids on the right already decided that the Sixth Amendment can be wiggled "if it makes us safer" by using places like Gitmo. The kids on the right have already decided that Article VI regarding treaties can be smooged around "if it makes us safer" when it comes to Gitmo or Retention or any other treaty element we find inconvenient.

Why, all of a sudden is the EXACT wording of the Second Amendment sacrosanct?

Now do you see why some folks were so pissed that Bushie kept disregarding the Constitution for what he perceived as a convenience? The lazy way out, the way that required the least amount of thought and just used "we can get away with it" logic started a cascade that have implications that didn't stop January 20, 2009 when he flew out of our lives.

Be very happy that Obama taught Constitutional Law.

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I would agree that tagging ammo is not a restriction...on the face of it. The issue is it doesn't make sense. Criminals just won't buy ammo that is encoded, so yet again the good guys have to carry the burden of the bad guys.

Here is an article going more in depth on it.

Larry Pratt -- Encoding Ammunition Will Only Aid Criminals
The fallacy of his logic is that he assumes that the criminal element in many of these crimes has the forethought to 1)buy only clean ammo, 2) clean up after themselves with either catchers or a pushbroom OR MOST IMPORTANTLY 3) have a clue the technology exists.

While most of the legal gun owners know about encoding or hammerstamping as a technological issue, many of the folks who are using for criminal enterprise may or may not. And impulse crime is not going to look at that consideration.

Considering the technology will slipstream into the system, while now folks might have a choice, in a few years, that will no longer be the case. If you have encoded casings, with a trace back to you, are you going to leave them at the range or pick them up and insure they aren't reloaded by someone else? Time will clean up the problem. It is not a lightswitch issue.

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The original intent – if you will – of microstamping was to compel the original gun owner to be responsible with the firearm; to ensure it’s stored and locked away properly. The logic being all guns started out legal and became illegal when stolen or sold inappropriately. The original owner could be subject to an investigation and possible penalties. The logic continues that with more gun owners being vigilant against possible theft, the fewer guns in the hands of criminals.

Microstamping is no threat to criminals.
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It's not about our right to have arms it's about the right wing nut jobs that make issues out off thin air so we "normal" people can't even touch a gun because it's so expensive
The last time I went to a gun show, right around elections, the damned place was packed. Hell I got lost in the parking lot with all of those big SUV and trucks and all of them rednecks that looked alike.
Wow. You really need to go back and read some basic economics theory. I suggest Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations."

And why would you be at a gun show? You obviously have nothing but loathing for "all of those big SUV and trucks and all of them rednecks that looked alike."

I am going to call Bullshit and say that you are a lying sack liberal mush.

Who's John Galt.

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The kids on the right have already decided that the Fourth Amendment can be changed "if it makes us safer" by allowing warrantless wiretaps, sneak and peak searches, etc. The kids on the right already decided that the Sixth Amendment can be wiggled "if it makes us safer" by using places like Gitmo. The kids on the right have already decided that Article VI regarding treaties can be smooged around "if it makes us safer" when it comes to Gitmo or Retention or any other treaty element we find inconvenient.

Why, all of a sudden is the EXACT wording of the Second Amendment sacrosanct?

Now do you see why some folks were so pissed that Bushie kept disregarding the Constitution for what he perceived as a convenience? The lazy way out, the way that required the least amount of thought and just used "we can get away with it" logic started a cascade that have implications that didn't stop January 20, 2009 when he flew out of our lives.

Be very happy that Obama taught Constitutional Law.
And again with the misrepresentation.

But regardless. Let's take it all as the truth on the face of your statements. You now are saying that it is ok to disregard the constitution because you feel it has been disregarded in other areas. Very good of you to put forth the argument that "Two wrongs make a right."

As for Obama teaching Constitutional law that is great and all but why has he not closed down Gitmo and released all the prisoners and stopped the wiretaps? Sure he has signed executive orders saying that this will happen in the future sometime but yet they are still in operation. As a matter of fact his administration has taken the same tack as the Bush administration on many of the same issues.

Where is all the executive power that has been accumulated under the Bush Administration? Oh that's right, it is still there in the Executive Branch. Obama has not done a damn thing to dilute the Executive Branch's power.

Nice try at attempting to substitute your reality for actuality.

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The fallacy of his logic is that he assumes that the criminal element in many of these crimes has the forethought to 1)buy only clean ammo, 2) clean up after themselves with either catchers or a pushbroom OR MOST IMPORTANTLY 3) have a clue the technology exists.

While most of the legal gun owners know about encoding or hammerstamping as a technological issue, many of the folks who are using for criminal enterprise may or may not. And impulse crime is not going to look at that consideration.

Considering the technology will slipstream into the system, while now folks might have a choice, in a few years, that will no longer be the case. If you have encoded casings, with a trace back to you, are you going to leave them at the range or pick them up and insure they aren't reloaded by someone else? Time will clean up the problem. It is not a lightswitch issue.
True that criminals are not the smartest sometimes but there is absolutely no tangible benefit of traceable ammunition in fighting crime. It will be too easy to get clean ammo on the black market so then what happens? The government restricts the sales of raw materials to those who can provide proof that they will stamp the ammo. Much like prescription meds, you will have to have something like a DEA number to manufacture ammo. This in turn will raise the price of ammo. Thus restricting the availability of ammo to legal citizens. Again, a back door to gun control.

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Wow. You really need to go back and read some basic economics theory. I suggest Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations."

And why would you be at a gun show? You obviously have nothing but loathing for "all of those big SUV and trucks and all of them rednecks that looked alike."

I am going to call Bullshit and say that you are a lying sack liberal mush.
Adam Smith's views on Free Market were very applicable in 18th Century Scotland, where the population was less than 1 million, somewhat isolated people. It does not always scale easily, as has been proven time and again.

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Adam Smith's views on Free Market were very applicable in 18th Century Scotland, where the population was less than 1 million, somewhat isolated people. It does not always scale easily, as has been proven time and again.
The theory is building blocks McBear. Form a base and work up.

Same reason they teach that scientists thought the world was flat for the longest time.

If you try to teach advanced economic theory without the context of history and the context of human behaviour you end up with Liberalism.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what colleges and universities are doing, teaching theory without the benefit of context, IMHO.

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