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1977 Amendments
To combat the declining financial outlook, in 1977 Congress passed and Carter signed legislation fixing the double-indexing mistake. This amendment also altered the tax formulas to raise more money,[54] increasing withholding from 2% to 6.15%.[55] With these changes, President Carter remarked, "Now this legislation will guarantee that from 1980 to the year 2030, the Social Security funds will be sound."[56] This turned out not to be the case. The financial picture declined almost immediately and by the early 1980s, the system was again in crisis.

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After the 1977 amendments, the economic assumptions surrounding Social Security projections continued to be overly optimistic as the program moved toward a crisis. For example, COLAs were attached to increases in the CPI. This meant that they changed with prices, instead of wages. Before the 1970s, wage measurements exceeded changes in price. In the 1970s, however, this reversed and real wages decreased. This meant that FICA revenues could not keep up with the increasing benefits that were being given out. Continued high unemployment levels also lowered the amount of Social Security tax that could be collected. These two developments were decreasing the Social Security Trust Fund reserves.[57] In 1982, projections indicated that the Social Security Trust Fund would run out of money by 1983, and there was talk of the system being unable to pay benefits.[58] The National Commission on Social Security Reform, chaired by Alan Greenspan was created to address the crisis.

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The National Commission on Social Security Reform (NCSSR), chaired by Alan Greenspan, was empaneled to investigate the long-run solvency of Social Security. The 1983 Amendments to the SSA were based on the NCSSR's Final Report."Report of the National Commission on Social Security Reform". Social Security Greenspan Commission. Retrieved on 2008-03-15. The NCSSR recommended enacting a six-month delay in the COLA and changing the tax-rate schedules for the years between 1984 and 1990.[59] It also proposed an income tax on the Social Security benefits of higher-income individuals. This meant that benefits in excess of a household income threshold, generally $25,000 for singles and $32,000 for couples (the precise formula computes and compares three different measures) became taxable. These changes were important for generating revenue in the short term.

Also of concern was the long-term prospect for Social Security because of demographic considerations. Of particular concern was the issue of what would happen when people born during the post-World War II baby boom retired. The NCSSR made several recommendations for addressing the issue. [60] Under the 1983 amendments to Social Security, signed into law by President Ronald Reagan, a previously-enacted increase in the payroll tax rate was accelerated, additional employees were added to the system, the full-benefit retirement age was slowly increased, and up to one-half of the value of the Social Security benefit was made potentially taxable income. [61][62]

The 1983 Amendments and the Social Security Trust Fund
The 1983 Amendments also included a provision to exclude the Social Security Trust Fund from the unified budget (In political jargon, it was proposed to be taken “off-budget.” Yet today Social Security is treated like all the other trust funds of the Unified Budget. It is a political way of using a cash budget instead of the more appropriate accrual budget, for all the budgets in the U.S. government. It is a way of disguising total debt.(Source: Webb, Roy, (1991).
“The Stealth Budget: Unfunded Liabilities of the Federal Government,” Economic Review (Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond), 77,2 May/June.) This provision also provided for the exemption of Social Security and portions of the Medicare trust funds from any general budget cuts beginning in 1993.[50] This change was one way of trying to protect Social Security funds for the future.

As a result of these changes, particularly the tax increases, the Social Security system began to generate a large short-term surplus of funds, intended to cover the added retirement costs of the "baby boomers." Congress invested these surpluses into special series, non-marketable U.S. Treasury securities held by the Social Security Trust Fund. Under the law, the government bonds held by Social Security are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. Because the government had adopted the unified budget during the Johnson administration, this surplus offsets the total fiscal debt, making it look much smaller. There has been significant disagreement over whether the Social Security Trust Fund has been saved, or has been used to finance other government programs and other tax cuts.

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What does the 1977 Amendment have to do with changes in how the system was treated? That is an indexing system.

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In concert with the lengthening of the average lifespan. My recently passed grandmother retired in 1976. She was retired for 32 years.
That is one of the problems with improved health and the system as it stands. They made changes that meant that if you took retirement at 62 you got less monthly [and those ranges keep modifying from what little I pay attention to it] and increase the longer you wait.

I figure there is no point in worrying about it. My thoughts on it all along have been that if monies are there, good, but I am not depending on that to count on that for my security on that final slide down the razorblade of life.

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What does the 1977 Amendment have to do with changes in how the system was treated? That is an indexing system.

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The author of this wiki article writes that SS was in disarray in the 70's and also 1980-83.

I think you made it sound like it was all fine and dandy till Reagan got his hands on it[meddling]. Reagan held office in 1981-1989.

Yes Wiki, after all it's just another opinion!

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The author of this wiki article writes that SS was in disarray in the 70's and also 1980-83.

I think you made it sound like it was all fine and dandy till Reagan got his hands on it[meddling]. Reagan held office in 1981-1989.

Yes Wiki, after all it's just another opinion!
No, I said that the problems we face NOW ["it fell down" as my comments said in reply to Q] with SS are a result of it moving away from its originally designed safety net and original intent to stay as a fully separate entity.

Reread post 78 to find where you misunderstood.

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No, I said that the problems we face NOW ["it fell down" as my comments said in reply to Q] with SS are a result of it moving away from its originally designed safety net and original intent to stay as a fully separate entity.

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That Social Security thing is going pretty damned good. Several generations of folks have had a little something available to them when they retired, a safety net that they thought was lost. It was doing very well until someone with a [R] next to their name "borrowed" a few hundred billion from the fund to help balance his budgets. It has been somewhat weaker since but still kicking.
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Well, it has certainly been chugging right along for the past 75 years or so without missing a beat. It's future is not nearly as good, thanks to the tinkering of the past few administrations but the point was that it was an excellent system for a lot of years for a lot of people. It provided confidence and a safety net to folks when it was needed.

Its future, that is not so good, but that has nothing to do with its design or intent. It was designed to cost the government nothing. And without meddling of Reagan, that would be the case today. But because it is going to cost in the future, folks seem to forget that it is the drawer's money that they are receiving, not the taxpayer's.

My post #79 is in response to your post #78 saying " a fully separate entity"
I highlighted the part in the Wiki article showing in 1983 they were trying to separate it but failed to do so.

And in the other posts you're quoted as saying its been strong for 75 years which isn't the case. There has been fear of its demise a couple of other times. Hence the Jimmy Crater highlight

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It's my opinion also that we need to raise the age at wich one my draw from SS.

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