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What needs to happen is for the Conservatives to either divorce themselves from the RNC or well and truly take it over. What that means is Conservatives are to lay out the basic principles for which they stand. Simple things like smaller Government, more personal freedom, and less Government intervention in markets
The problem is that the GOP has been shilling these values for so long, no one will it seriously when it now decides "this time we mean it". Besides, bloody hell will break loose when the Gays, Guns, and God crowd are handed their walking papers. It will never happen, at least not in my lifetime. There is one roosting place left for true conservatives these days, and that is the Libertarian Party, which I call home. In the end, we may not accomplish much, but I do sleep soundly.

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But you're on all fours?
Wow. Such issues with Sexuality. You know Puffy, as we age our bodies go through changes. These changes sometimes manifest themselves in desires to say things and do things that other people find mostly annoying. Obviously you are dealing with these changes now. You might want to go back to the beginning of all of this deep seated anger and see what started you down this path of enslavement.

Who's John Galt.

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Wow. Such issues with Sexuality. You know Puffy, as we age our bodies go through changes. These changes sometimes manifest themselves in desires to say things and do things that other people find mostly annoying. Obviously you are dealing with these changes now. You might want to go back to the beginning of all of this deep seated anger and see what started you down this path of enslavement.
I would love to take that journey with you. Would you hold my hand?
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I would love to take that journey with you. Would you hold my hand?
For you Puffy, anything. Well except for that whole scene you PM'd me about. Like I said in response to that, I don't exactly feel comfortable being in a situation where we need to use a "Safe" word.

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For you Puffy, anything. Well except for that whole scene you PM'd me about. Like I said in response to that, I don't exactly feel comfortable being in a situation where we need to use a "Safe" word.
I PM'd you? Please by all means describe the scene for us, I got popcorn on the side for this.
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I like how in spite of some 30 to 40 years of history people are so quick to dismiss the "Conservative Movement" when they have proven time and again how effective they are at getting their message out. The problem now is the RNC. The RNC and DNC are two of the exact same beasts. Their sole mission in life is to gain power. They have no principles, no ideals. They are a mechanism for gaining power.

What needs to happen is for the Conservatives to either divorce themselves from the RNC or well and truly take it over. What that means is Conservatives are to lay out the basic principles for which they stand. Simple things like smaller Government, more personal freedom, and less Government intervention in markets.

From there they make their decisions on how to proceed. What has been happening is the RNC has been making deals. Does anyone truly believe that deal was not made with John McCain back in 2000? Why do you think the RNC was so heavily on his side when Romney and Huckabee were making good headway with their Conservative messages?

In the end, we got more of the same with President Obama. There is no change, there is no substantive difference between his policies and Bush's or for that matter McCain.

Everyone wants to spend our money as opposed to enabling us to fix the economy. A rising tide lifts all boats. The problem is the people are the ocean, Government is just the biggest boat around. Government spending will not get us out of this recession. It never has.

Government has the ability to amplify the current economic situation or to destroy a good economic situation. They can not creat a good economic boom only the environment to help one happen.

Does anyone think that the Government is creating a good environment for this economy?
Please enlighten us on this magical 30-40 year history of the Conservative movement. Considering the Conservatives have been around America for well over two centuries. "Conservatism is "adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried." A. Lincoln.

Are you sure you aren't thinking about that bastardized confusion known as NeoConservatism that has contributed so much to the current economic climate? The NeoConservatism that many Republicans are viciously trying to distance themselves from...the party of the Bushes and sometimes McCain. The NeoConservatism that brought us Supply Side, Trickle Down Economics 1-3 and the four recessions associated with them.

But I like your "A rising tide lifts all boats" comment. Very interesting as it has been a Democratic philosophy for decades.

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Nice circle-jerk fellas - what goes around comes around.
You have a lot of experience with those?

Make sure you wash your hands before the next GTG. Really.

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I PM'd you? Please by all means describe the scene for us, I got popcorn on the side for this.
It's OK Puffy you don't have to be embarrassed by your issues. I am just saying that they are all normal for people such as yourself.

Let's just start singing "Kumbaya" ok?

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Please enlighten us on this magical 30-40 year history of the Conservative movement. Considering the Conservatives have been around America for well over two centuries. "Conservatism is "adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried." A. Lincoln.

Are you sure you aren't thinking about that bastardized confusion known as NeoConservatism that has contributed so much to the current economic climate? The NeoConservatism that many Republicans are viciously trying to distance themselves from...the party of the Bushes and sometimes McCain. The NeoConservatism that brought us Supply Side, Trickle Down Economics 1-3 and the four recessions associated with them.

But I like your "A rising tide lifts all boats" comment. Very interesting as it has been a Democratic philosophy for decades.
Pearls before swine and all of that comes to mind. But alas, what I was referring to was the modern historical context of the Conservative political candidates and their ability to effectively translate their popular support into votes.

As much as Obama received more votes than McCain, he received the votes from the center. Obama's grass roots activities and his relationship with the far left wing of DNC failed to do much for him. These are the people who are hyper active in the campaigning but the people to whom their message is most widely received are those who are at best, apathetic.

The other kinds of voters that voted for Obama were the ones highlighted in the "Howobamagotelected.com" movie clip. The people who get their news and information from John Stewart, and People Magazine.

The conservatives have been much more successful in fund raising on an ongoing basis than the liberals. Like the old cliche goes, I will tell you what is important to you, just show me your check book.

Who's John Galt.

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