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I have no qualm with the Spanish Courts getting their nose in any just or unjust international affair. But, Judge Garzon and his sequel has a tract to the left of Castro and is deaf to the claims that politically are centrist or moderately to the right. I, when in Argentina, get tired with local and Spanish prosecutions for human rights violations. Why? Because they are totally partial. In Barcelona lives a man called Firmenich (formerly chief in an antisocial and antidemocratic revolutionary clandestine movement). He had five persons shot after being kidnapped from their homes, among which was the best President I new, and probably of all times, in Argentina. Judge Garzon made public his dedication to prosecute all violators of human rights no matter where they were. He has yet to prosecute one from the center-left or left. So, now it's Bush's turn. Believe me it will be just headlines. Nevertheless some of you can and will have a blast.
Thank God we would never be partisan here in America. We might do something silly like investigate a President about a blow job.

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Thank God we would never be partisan here in America. We might do something silly like investigate a President about a blow job.
OK, let's hijack this thread. Enough of the Spainards.

George Carlin put it best. "If her lips are on your willie, then it's sex for both of you"!
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I agree that it would be a more logical choice for the Hague to address this and clear the air on the subject but, as Pinochet found out, international torture laws can be addressed pretty much anywhere.

Even we, in the US have been known to try and prosecute a leader who tortures folks. I believe that was reason number 7.R.2.a for invading Iraq.
That's all well and fine, but Spain is tainted on this issue, thus not the best candidate in regard to fair and impartial. I'm sure you recall the Spanish extraction from Iraq as a direct response to a terrorist act. I have no problem with Spain or any other country responding to the fact that they were coerced and misled into the Iraq engagement, by withdrawing their forces. But doing so as a direct response to an overt act of terrorism was absolutely the wrong thing to do. They lost the moral ground right then and there, thus could easily be seen as pursuing this matter as vendetta.

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These Spanish courts have a few notches on their belt in prosecuting these type of cases, if I was George Bush, I'd stay in Crawford, sort of like Pinochet was forced to stay in Chile.
The Spanish judge who wanted to try Pinochet has very recently been charged with corruption He was also recently fined 4000 Euros for hunting without a licence.

Let them cast the first stone and all that!

EDIT: Correction, is was actually the Spanish JUSTICE MINISTER who had to resign for corruption, he was with Gárzon the judge on the hunting trip.

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OK, let's hijack this thread. Enough of the Spainards.

George Carlin put it best. "If her lips are on your willie, then it's sex for both of you"!
I think you need to read what I was commenting on. It was the partisanship, and apparently that is global...who knew?

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That's all well and fine, but Spain is tainted on this issue, thus not the best candidate in regard to fair and impartial. I'm sure you recall the Spanish extraction from Iraq as a direct response to a terrorist act. I have no problem with Spain or any other country responding to the fact that they were coerced and misled into the Iraq engagement, by withdrawing their forces. But doing so as a direct response to an overt act of terrorism was absolutely the wrong thing to do. They lost the moral ground right then and there, thus could easily be seen as pursuing this matter as vendetta.
Vendetta against whom? By whom? Why?

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Never mind the Spanish courts.
Where are the US courts and lawyers? Where are a the people who should be prosecuting the Bush administration war criminals right now? Where is the US Congress, the US Department of Justice?

If these people, including Bush and Cheney are not investigated and prosecuted through the proper DOJ channels, we can flush the Constitution down the toilet. And we are going to preach to others about democracy and rule of law? I think it is high time we had a third party in this conutry and got away from this two party dictatorship.
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It will never happen, because everyone on Capital Hill who voted to cede Bush war powers stands as an accomplice. That is why there was never going to be an impeachment, or even a serious investigation.

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Never mind the Spanish courts.
Where are the US courts and lawyers? Where are a the people who should be prosecuting the Bush administration war criminals right now? Where is the US Congress, the US Department of Justice?

If these people, including Bush and Cheney are not investigated and prosecuted through the proper DOJ channels, we can flush the Constitution down the toilet. And we are going to preach to others about democracy and rule of law? I think it is high time we had a third party in this conutry and got away from this two party dictatorship.
Executive Orders were signed by Bush that eliminate ANY prosecutions in the US against folks for torture. So it isn't going to happen in the US. Thank the 2006 Congress for that.

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