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We can always check with one of the Princes of Freedom, such as the Indonesian leaders. No offense, but Bush happens to be a Non Muslim American who right or wrong did more for his Country than you could probably assimilate in several lifetimes. He may be an Ex-Pat since the family spends Summers in Maine, but his heart is in America, and probably Texas. Also, he never confused religion with patriotism.
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Some people are in denial no matter what history recorder before their eyes.
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That's just plain funny.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Some people are in denial no matter what history recorder before their eyes.
The problem is not acceptance or denial. The question is not to repeat the mistakes. And it must be human nature, but do we ever learn?
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Really.
No question mark! I'm happy you support it, and hope it did not hurt too much.
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The problem is not acceptance or denial. The question is not to repeat the mistakes. And it must be human nature, but do we ever learn?
We were just talking the other day, that it took us about 60 years to forget the lessons that the great depression taught us, and only around 10 years after eliminating the legacy laws designed to prevent another one before we basically shit the bed again in dramatic fashion. That's what prompted my comment elsewhere that said we should ALWAYS be extremely suspicious of groups who want LESS laws affecting them.
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Dear Jakarta Expat

The individual freedoms never were, and never will be reformed as long as our Constitution stands. Of these rights, the right to be wrong is perhaps one of the fundamentals of our freedom.

This is so much so that you foster a club with religious-political orientation from abroad. You are free to do whatever you wish, and you did not need me to say so to enjoy such freedom. My only point relates to the fact of your geographical location: The US is in a deep sea of stools, antagonizing fundamentalist groups which, spread mainly among Muslim Nations, have terrorized or attacked politically and physically the very freedoms you are claiming loudly, plus selective targets at home, in our theater of operations, at countries allied to us, neutral, or even allied to them. And the confrontation, unfortunately for everyone, continues. This, limits the expression of your views from a virtually hostile location. Of course, you may take it or leave it.

Nevertheless, one thing is a disagreement and another is a flagrant attack on persons that, right or wrong, have represented the Country and what the Country represents. That's why I do not discuss Civil Servants, with or without historians' sanction, specially outside the US. Breaking the rules I'll tell you this: see what happens in Jakarta every time there is a students' protest against the government.

Re religion: "PM me to join the Expat Muslims for Obama Club". Rings any bells?

Re Business is business: That was a known fact. Perhaps good business, perhaps greed, perhaps ingenuity. Who knows? There might be another reason which I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you and I enjoy retirement. Then again, where are we not. All the service station pumps in Indonesia are supplied by an American company. So what? It's all based upon capitalism.

Finally: Royalty are not only conventional kingdoms or empires. Dictatorships (such as government for life, hereditary or by appointment; or leadership from the Minaret, Pulpit or Temple) are forms of royalty since their leaders are commonly addressed as persons with unquestioned power.

Wish you the best in your life, as well as that of those who share your views.
Salaam, Samaladek.
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The individual freedoms never were, and never will be reformed as long as our Constitution stands.
what about the illegal tapping and listening to all our email/phone transmissions?


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Nevertheless, one thing is a disagreement and another is a flagrant attack on persons that, right or wrong, have represented the Country and what the Country represents.
Your key word is wrong! Americans are allowed flagrant attacks especially when the wrong thing is done!
The guy (bush) violated the constitution, that's wrong!
(did I say wrong enough times?)

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Wish you the best in your life, as well as that of those who share your views.
Salaam, Samaladek.
Nicely done.. the kicker is the Salaam comment. Quite racist... if I must say so myself
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No question mark! I'm happy you support it, and hope it did not hurt too much.
I understood.

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hope this one can handle aircrafts crashing into it!

Fuel economy!! whats that??
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