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What do propose doctors do? Same shit is going on in medicine. Tons of Indians are coming here, getting into residency training while American citizen doctors can't get in. What's worse is that these Indians don't have to pay taxes and after raping our resources, go back to India. Medicare pays an estimated $200,000 to train each doctor! These residency training slots are ONLY funded by medicare!
I didn't realize this is the case as well.
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Not in principle.

A fair negotiation is not possible if one side can simply divide and conquer.
What I have found, from working both sides of the issue is that the newest techniques involve continuously changing your managers and management chains. This works particularly well if you have an organization where many people work from home or the road. This does not allow folks to network or become close.

As an example, the team that was told today that their last day would be April 27 was spread out in 8 states. Only two knew each other and the rest had only met twice, that because I called two design meetings so everyone could actually get together. Those 10 people represented right at 200 years of technical experience and a total of 24 degrees and 7 patents.

They also generated between $800,000-$1,000,000 in taxable earning power that is going to be taking a rest.

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What do propose doctors do? Same shit is going on in medicine. Tons of Indians are coming here, getting into residency training while American citizen doctors can't get in. What's worse is that these Indians don't have to pay taxes and after raping our resources, go back to India. Medicare pays an estimated $200,000 to train each doctor! These residency training slots are ONLY funded by medicare!
The one thing that I have found about the Indian doctors that come to America to train. Those who get their education paid for are required to spend X number of years in areas of the country where there are not sufficient doctors for the population. They are more than happy to go there, do their time and many stay well beyond that time.

Put a bit differently, Doctors coming out of Medical School tend to want to pick a practice in the rolling horse farm country of Lexington Kentucky or Bucks County Pennsylvania instead of the dirty, impoverished coal counties of rural Appalachia.

Guess who go there, find it better than where they came from, like it and make a very good living? And they are fully accepting into the community because most of the communities know that the very spoiled American Doctors don't have a desire in the world in going to work in their little hell hole.

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I picked up a couple of folks from Brazil a couple of weeks ago who are going to be doing a six month "knowledge transfer" for someone else's project. Fortunately I am not involved in this one but have been on several before. It truly sucks.

Knowledge transfer that doesn't sound good. Yeah it does suck.



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Knowledge transfer that doesn't sound good. Yeah it does suck.
The feeling must be similar to digging your own grave.

Just short 10 years ago we had the superior information technology industry, most excellent financial/banking system and the military nothing could be compared to.

Well, the military is still there, I think.
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The feeling must be similar to digging your own grave.

I walked out.
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The one thing that I have found about the Indian doctors that come to America to train. Those who get their education paid for are required to spend X number of years in areas of the country where there are not sufficient doctors for the population. They are more than happy to go there, do their time and many stay well beyond that time.

Put a bit differently, Doctors coming out of Medical School tend to want to pick a practice in the rolling horse farm country of Lexington Kentucky or Bucks County Pennsylvania instead of the dirty, impoverished coal counties of rural Appalachia.

Guess who go there, find it better than where they came from, like it and make a very good living? And they are fully accepting into the community because most of the communities know that the very spoiled American Doctors don't have a desire in the world in going to work in their little hell hole.
Very true but the requirement is for only 3 years! After 3 years they leave and some other doc comes in his place. There is no continuity of care or that special relationship that the patient makes with the doctors and in most instances the doctor is getting paid much more than the national average. I would be OK with this if the required duration for working in a rural area at least doubled to 6 years but ideally tripled to 9 years.
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I walked out.
It is the best thing to do. When I told friends this morning that I canceled my contract their question was "In THIS Economy???" It's easy to do it in a good, strong economy. But if it is for principle, it shouldn't matter.

Now to find something helpful. It has been worrying on me for several years doing much of my work that ends up for superfluous enterprise.

Wifie and I are looking to find a new sandbox to play in [and we have scores of friends who just found that they too are free to do enjoyable work now].

Found out this morning that my blind friend who is about my age and still has two kids at home got hit with the layoff. It is not going to be a good market for him on any level as he has a very hard time doing any travel and so many of the new programs are not ADA accessible as required by law. it limits his work choices.

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What do propose doctors do? Same shit is going on in medicine. Tons of Indians are coming here, getting into residency training while American citizen doctors can't get in. What's worse is that these Indians don't have to pay taxes and after raping our resources, go back to India. Medicare pays an estimated $200,000 to train each doctor! These residency training slots are ONLY funded by medicare!
That is simply astounding. And not how things work in Canada, that's for sure. We make most foreign trained doctors go through residency all over again, at their own expense. If they don't have their Canadian citizenship, they have to pay the full expense themselves. If they have citizenship then the tuition rates are about 25% of what a foreign resident pays. There are a few countries that have some sort of exemption on the residency requirements, but the majority have to re-train.
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That is simply astounding. And not how things work in Canada, that's for sure. We make most foreign trained doctors go through residency all over again, at their own expense. If they don't have their Canadian citizenship, they have to pay the full expense themselves. If they have citizenship then the tuition rates are about 25% of what a foreign resident pays. There are a few countries that have some sort of exemption on the residency requirements, but the majority have to re-train.
This is exactly what is needed here. Maybe these spots can be in addition to the regular spots and if they can't pay then their governments should sponsor them.
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