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Old 03-26-2009, 06:04 PM   #81 (permalink)
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So you're saying there is NO CHANCE for peace, right?
There's no chance so long as people like baby boo are in the mix, and they most assuredly are.

As far as sympathizing with Hamas is concerned, this quote from the Jewish author Leon Uris comes to mind:
"No crime a man commits in behalf of his freedom can be as great as the crimes committed by those who deny his freedom."
And about Rabbi Yaacov Perrin's quote ("One million Arabs are not worth a single Jewish fingernail") it's worth noting that he delivered it in the eulogy for mass-murdering zionist terrorist Baruch Goldstein, still celebrated as a hero among the primitive religious fanatics, er, zionists.

How can you argue, or even negotiate, with people who claim "God gave us your land"?
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:13 PM   #82 (permalink)
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So you're saying there is NO CHANCE for peace, right?
No. Not as long as Hamas is in power.
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There's no chance so long as people like baby boo are in the mix, and they most assuredly are.

As far as sympathizing with Hamas is concerned, this quote from the Jewish author Leon Uris comes to mind:
"No crime a man commits in behalf of his freedom can be as great as the crimes committed by those who deny his freedom."
And about Rabbi Yaacov Perrin's quote ("One million Arabs are not worth a single Jewish fingernail") it's worth noting that he delivered it in the eulogy for mass-murdering zionist terrorist Baruch Goldstein, still celebrated as a hero among the primitive religious fanatics, er, zionists.

How can you argue, or even negotiate, with people who claim "God gave us your land"?
Boo made that real clear to Tahloube, where else can you get such a demonstration of total disdain than this?
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:14 PM   #84 (permalink)
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No. Not as long as Hamas is in power.
Dude, you would always find another Hamas in your closet.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:18 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Dude, you would always find another Hamas in your closet.
The part they steadfastly refuse to get: they create their Hamas, and worse.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:52 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Dude, you would always find another Hamas in your closet.
You’re not disputing the fact that Hamas is a huge obstacle to peace, are you? The entire Arab world knows this and, in fact that is precisely why Hamas finds support in both the Iranian and Syrian capitals.

However, I agree that eliminating (or at least taming) Hamas is a necessary but not sufficient condition for peace. There are many other bad Arab actors in the neighborhood.

So let me reformulate my response more generally by saying that peace will not be possible in the ME until the Arabs have disabused themselves of the notion that they can achieve their objectives by military means.

Egypt and Jordan did this decades ago and got peace as well as their land back. This should serve as a lesson to the Palestinians but, so far, they have been a very poor understudy of the historical record.
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Boo, you state "let me reformulate my response more generally by saying that peace will not be possible in the ME until the Arabs have disabused themselves of the notion that they can achieve their objectives by military means."
With a little help from their Arab brothers they can be succesfull in achieving their goals and effecting a peace.Look what the American revolutionists accomplished against England as well as Spain, France and Mexico not to mention the American Indians.
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No. Not as long as Hamas is in power.
More chickenshit, childish finger pointing. Like your previous responses directed at me "personally" instead of the logic of my argument. As if directing your irritation at some internet persona is somehow actually "personal" or that I could give a shit about your opinion of me.

So Hamas is the true obstacle to an earnest effort to enter meaningful negotiations for peace in the area. So what was the excuse for the previous half a century?

If Israel is militarily superior (which I presume was your point when you were mocking their kids with slingshots and their home made missiles that they fire but have no idea where they will land, etc., etc), and economically superior (Israel has an economy with most modern economic entities, like agriculture, manufacturing, banking, etc and the Palestinians have chaos), has the great preponderance of the Nobel Prize winning minds in modern history, and on and on, how is it that the lowly Palestinians have control of Israel and so easily drags them into the gutter for these ridiculous, childish tantrums? It is like Einstein having a handicapped older sibling who can push his buttons at will and get him to do stupid shit at the drop of a hat.

Grow up. Take your greater military power, economic resources and self described greater intellect and do something good with it for the Israelis and the Palestinians. Stop enjoying the bloodshed so much for a while and try in earnest to stop it. Wow. Maybe you might win a Nobel Prize for Peace to add to your collection of gene pool ego soothing awards. What Israel is doing with all that extra capability is surely not a sign of any kind of above average intellect, at least not to date. You are like an entire nation of George W. Bushes. Being led by the nose to self destructive wars and other self belittling activities by the lowest element of the very people you describe as the talentless, do nothings. How elevating for you to find it amusing though. Let it cost America its oil supply for any length of time and you will find Americans no longer amused.

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So, in other words, more bombast, rhetoric, smoke and mirrors from you and yet not a single suggestion as to how to deal with a group that pledges your destruction, that rejects any negotiation and that will not even accept the legitimacy of prior agreements. That was given an opportunity, after the Israeli pullout, to improve the lot of its peoples and instead has exploited the generosity of donor nations by wasting that cash on a massive rearmament, the digging of illegal smuggling tunnels and planning for war instead of economic redevelopment.
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So, in other words, more bombast, rhetoric, smoke and mirrors from you and yet not a single suggestion as to how to deal with a group that pledges your destruction, that rejects any negotiation and that will not even accept the legitimacy of prior agreements. That was given an opportunity, after the Israeli pullout, to improve the lot of its peoples and instead has exploited the generosity of donor nations by wasting that cash on a massive rearmament, the digging of illegal smuggling tunnels and planning for war instead of economic redevelopment.
Are they pledging for the destruction of the USA?

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