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The Japanese Freeloaders - False Reliability

Hey, guys. I posted a new article on my blog (AutoTribute) - tell me what you think about it:

There has been an article I have been wanting to write for quite some time, and now that the results from the reliability studies conducted by JD Powers and Consumer reports are in, I guess now is a good time to write it. You're probably wondering what I mean by "Japanese freeloaders"...Well, I'm using that to refer to certain Japanese automakers that are getting a "free walk" with the reliability of their cars mainly because they are Japanese.

And who are these automakers, you ask? All other Japanese automakers (not including their luxury brands) besides Toyota and Honda. Ask any random American about reliability and they wouldn't hesitate to group Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Suzuki and Isuzu with the likes of Toyota and Honda. These random Americans are in effect saying that these brands are more reliable than any American brand. But a careful analysis of the reliability of brands over the years will reveal that they were no better (if not worse) than their American counterparts. the reliability of Pre-Renault Nissans, for instance, were atrocious! And even today these brands still lag behind the American brands (based on the 2009 JD Powers reliability study).

So what gives? Pure ignorance. The public has been led (whether accidentally or intentionally) to believe that any Japanese automaker, by default, has better reliability than any American automaker. Even though it is Toyota and Honda that are to be applauded for the reliability of their cars, the other Japanese automakers also benefit (undeservingly) from the image of quality earned by these two automakers. In contrast, mention the name Buick or Ford to any random American and they would tag them, without hesitation, as unreliable, even though Buick topped Lexus in the latest JD Power survey and Ford is very near Honda on the list.

Another way these Japanese freeloaders benefit from their "false reliability" is that while the public has a good image of them, they can continue to improve
this image by actually improving the quality of their cars without any deterrence. The American automakers, on the other hand, have to incur huge costs just to prove that they actually do make quality, reliable cars. And until they can prove this, fewer Americans will buy their cars. Now don't they wish they were Japanese...

You can find the article here
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hmmm, can you add to your statistics that my 1987 Mazda Rx7 has 175,000 miles on it on original engine and almost everything (drivetrain) except for maintenance parts. The only "major" problem I had was the heat core leaking which required a dashboard removal (time consuming) and a revamping of the cooling system while I was at it (new hoses, radiator, pump).
My biggest expanses on the car were the Racing Beat exhaust system and my Momo seats (which now I regret having them cause they look gay).
Anyway, pull an American car from your ass and compare
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hmmm, can you add to your statistics that my 1987 Mazda Rx7 has 175,000 miles on it on original engine and almost everything (drivetrain) except for maintenance parts. The only "major" problem I had was the heat core leaking which required a dashboard removal (time consuming) and a revamping of the cooling system while I was at it (new hoses, radiator, pump).
My biggest expanses on the car were the Racing Beat exhaust system and my Momo seats (which now I regret having them cause they look gay).
Anyway, pull an American car from your ass and compare
There are many cases where people who owned (or still do) American cars experience the same thing you experienced with your Mazda. In other words, there are exceptions.
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i learned from my experience that american cars suck at fuel economy for given power, interior quality, keeping up with technology and worst of all ride quality

Fuel economy!! whats that??
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hmmm, can you add to your statistics that my 1987 Mazda Rx7 has 175,000 miles on it on original engine and almost everything (drivetrain) except for maintenance parts. The only "major" problem I had was the heat core leaking which required a dashboard removal (time consuming) and a revamping of the cooling system while I was at it (new hoses, radiator, pump).
My biggest expanses on the car were the Racing Beat exhaust system and my Momo seats (which now I regret having them cause they look gay).
Anyway, pull an American car from your ass and compare
Cherry-picking. If Chevrolet was only measured by the Corvette, it'd be a different company. Ever driven a Mazda 323/626, or even the new 3/6? They're crap (and not just because they aren't Scottish).
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Perception is everything, reality comes in second to most people. Ever read political threads around here? You see what I mean. It isn't the reality of the situation, it is how you can twist the perception to fit the needs of the individuals emotions and bias based on their personal experiences. Milk that and you can gain a majority threshold. Works in politics and works in sales. The public generally doesn't pay enough attention or have enough care to follow it more closely. When care and concern lag, manipulation becomes easier and thus more profitable.
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