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Terrorists hail Obama's new approach...

"Well, maybe if they like us they won't kill us..."

The exiled leader of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas on Sunday hailed the "new lexicon" being used by US President Barack Obama towards foreign policy issues the Middle East.

"The challenge for everyone is that (Obama's new language) is a prelude to a sincere change (of direction) in US and European foreign policy," Khaled Meshaal said in an interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica. ...

Hamas leader hails Obama's new approach: report

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Aww, fucking Obama, and fuck Hamas... How dare either side speak on behalf of the whole world. I'm sick of this shit, its a war between 3 groups of people, not 3 nations.

Fucking rich assholes. How could people be so ignorant? Beats be to be honest.

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Why did you call Hamas terrorists? Have they ever attacked a US target?? Actually, they have never ever carried any attacks outside Palestine/Israel.

Khaled Mashaal, the Hamas leader quoted in the article, was the target of a failed assassination attempt by the Mossad in the Jordanian capital Amman in 1997. This breach of sovereignty of a neighbour state (which has a peace agreement with Israel, BTW) was Israel's response to Hamas's offer of a long-term truce between the group and Israel. Wasn't that attack an act of state-sponsored terrorism??
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Why did you call Hamas terrorists? Have they ever attacked a US target?? Actually, they have never ever carried any attacks outside Palestine/Israel.

Khaled Mashaal, the Hamas leader quoted in the article, was the target of a failed assassination attempt by the Mossad in the Jordanian capital Amman in 1997. This breach of sovereignty of a neighbour state (which has a peace agreement with Israel, BTW) was Israel's response to Hamas's offer of a long-term truce between the group and Israel. Wasn't that attack an act of state-sponsored terrorism??
According to Wikipedia: "...Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by Canada,[28] the European Union,[29][30][31] Israel,[32] Japan,[33] and the United States.[34],Australia[35] and the United Kingdom[36]..."

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According to Wikipedia: "...Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by Canada,[28] the European Union,[29][30][31] Israel,[32] Japan,[33] and the United States.[34],Australia[35] and the United Kingdom[36]..."
So is the IRA AND the Real IRA but apparently not the "I Can't Believe It's Not IRA"

How many of those groups [and this is a very serious question] are listed because they are actually terrorist groups who have COMMITTED acts of terror or just groups who are in political opposition to a favored government position?

Our First Amendment would be interested in that differentiation.

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Hammas is a goverment am I not correct? So if for the little things they have done and considerd as "terrorists" then fuck me, what is America?

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Hammas is a goverment am I not correct? So if for the little things they have done and considerd as "terrorists" then fuck me, what is America?
Or Britain or France or Germany or Israel or...

Annoying those democratically held elections.

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So is the IRA AND the Real IRA but apparently not the "I Can't Believe It's Not IRA"

How many of those groups [and this is a very serious question] are listed because they are actually terrorist groups who have COMMITTED acts of terror or just groups who are in political opposition to a favored government position?

Our First Amendment would be interested in that differentiation.
Not sure which "groups" you mean, but I seriously think any group all those nations call terrorists have to be because they "...have COMMITTED acts of terror (i.e., violence). Which terrorist groups do you think have not committed acts of terror?

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Not sure which "groups" you mean, but I seriously think any group all those nations call terrorists have to be because they "...have COMMITTED acts of terror (i.e., violence). Which terrorist groups do you think have not committed acts of terror?
I was using the 2008 State Department list.

And I was asking. Some of them appear to be somewhat obscure to be in the same league as AQ or IRA.

As an example, I fail to see how Shining Path meets the criteria of the Department of State's own regulations.

  1. It must be a foreign organization.
  2. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
  3. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

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Now I am not saying that that the Shining Path are just Boy Scouts gone bad, but they don't threaten US in any way yet they are on the list. That moves from TERRORIST to POLITICAL.

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I was using the 2008 State Department list.

And I was asking. Some of them appear to be somewhat obscure to be in the same league as AQ or IRA.

As an example, I fail to see how Shining Path meets the criteria of the Department of State's own regulations.

  1. It must be a foreign organization.
  2. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
  3. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)

Shining Path - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I am not saying that that the Shining Path are just Boy Scouts gone bad, but they don't threaten US in any way yet they are on the list. That moves from TERRORIST to POLITICAL.
I don't know bear... That seems like a pretty tight and non-political definition to me. In the behavioral sciences we call it both a functional and operational definition. I can't imagine how they could fudge that to include a nation just because someone was pissed at them. But maybe you have better inside information than the rest of us...

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