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Why did you call Hamas terrorists? Have they ever attacked a US target?? Actually, they have never ever carried any attacks outside Palestine/Israel.
So whether something is a crime or terrorist act or whatever depends on it being outside of a geographic region?

By that definition Ted Bundy isn't a murderer in many states or outside the US, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend or attack Hamas or Israel, just pointing out the illogic of the underlying presumption.

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So whether something is a crime or terrorist act or whatever depends on it being outside of a geographic region?

By that definition Ted Bundy isn't a murderer in many states or outside the US, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend or attack Hamas or Israel, just pointing out the illogic of the underlying presumption.
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So whether something is a crime or terrorist act or whatever depends on it being outside of a geographic region?

By that definition Ted Bundy isn't a murderer in many states or outside the US, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend or attack Hamas or Israel, just pointing out the illogic of the underlying presumption.
I get your point and I don't disagree. I only was trying to say that:

1) Hamas (which only operates in Palestine) is a liberation movement, not a terrorist organisation. Their goal is freedom for their people. If terror was on their mind instead, American targets (for example) anywhere are way easier than Israeli ones in Israel.

2) US (and other states) who never cared to meet or engage in direct dialogue with a leader of Hamas, shouldn't have the right to call them terrorists with all the subsequents that come with this label, e.g the current blockade of Hamas-run Gaza with 1.5 million residents, even after Israel's fierce 22-day war.
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"Well, maybe if they like us they won't kill us..."

The exiled leader of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas on Sunday hailed the "new lexicon" being used by US President Barack Obama towards foreign policy issues the Middle East.

"The challenge for everyone is that (Obama's new language) is a prelude to a sincere change (of direction) in US and European foreign policy," Khaled Meshaal said in an interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica. ...

Hamas leader hails Obama's new approach: report
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how long till obama shows his true colors? I say... 1 more year.

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