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FTL, I must have not been clear with the statement "and we'll be back in another ten years" it's in reference to Iraq not to Vietnam. Vietnam was a senseless war and when our troops left, the country went back to being itself. Iraq on the other hand as we make our withdrawal (a good thing btw) will continue to be the same, a volatile area.

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So apparently, you don't seem to know. Was that just some talk radio mantra you were reciting?

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FTL, I must have not been clear with the statement "and we'll be back in another ten years" it's in reference to Iraq not to Vietnam. Vietnam was a senseless war and when our troops left, the country went back to being itself. Iraq on the other hand as we make our withdrawal (a good thing btw) will continue to be the same, a volatile area.
It's been a volitile area for 3,000 years. Maybe we'll learn to stay out. Our real solution is to find the will to start using other forms of energy. Motor fuel in the US can easily be replaced by natural gas and liquified coal. Power plants can easily be converted to nuclear. Sure it will cost more, but the beginning of true evil in this country was when we decided that spending 4,000 American lives as part of keeping the cost of energy down was some how the right thing to do. I curse the evil bastards who made that calculus. What we should learn from it is the same thing we should have learned from Nam: stay the hell out if you do not have the absolute moral high ground. We need to do things so we don't HAVE to be back in ten years, things we could have done with the trillion dollars shit down that rat hole.

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Immediate draw down, change of mission, totally out by late 2010. Good Job!
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A portion of the 35,000 to 50,000 remaining troops will be combat-ready and will be ready to deploy in counter-terrorism missions. That means combat operations are still possible, even after Aug. 31, 2010, an official said.
Your definition of totally out eludes me.
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I could not help but notice all the references to our previous forray into SE Asia. You all should look back at the" Off Shore Oil Leases "that were in play at that time, in that part of the world." GULF OIL Co.", was a major player then.
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It's been a volitile area for 3,000 years. Maybe we'll learn to stay out. Our real solution is to find the will to start using other forms of energy. Motor fuel in the US can easily be replaced by natural gas and liquified coal. Power plants can easily be converted to nuclear. Sure it will cost more, but the beginning of true evil in this country was when we decided that spending 4,000 American lives as part of keeping the cost of energy down was some how the right thing to do. I curse the evil bastards who made that calculus. What we should learn from it is the same thing we should have learned from Nam: stay the hell out if you do not have the absolute moral high ground. We need to do things so we don't HAVE to be back in ten years, things we could have done with the trillion dollars shit down that rat hole.
Motor fuel in the US can easily be replaced by natural gas and liquified coal.
- Natural gas, yes - Liquified coal, not in any present or future vehicles

Sure it will cost more, but the beginning of true evil in this country was when we decided that spending 4,000 American lives as part of keeping the cost of energy down was some how the right thing to do. I curse the evil bastards who made that calculus.
- Not everything boils down to oil "Amount of U.S. oil consumption that comes from the Middle East: 2 mbd -- 12 percent, only 3 percent from Iraq and Kuwait. The rest of our imported oil comes from places like Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, Algeria, Ecuador, and England."

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Hey FTL,

I am still waiting for your definition of totally out.

What exactly do you mean by totally out or is that what your 'rat friends told you to say ?

A similar quote was repeated over and over today over the news that the troops will be TOTALLY OUT by 2011.

Can you say propaganda ?

Wake up, people and that includes you.
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Let's face it, the US did not build 50 or so military bases in Iraq to hand them over to Iraqis.

We will be "totally out" of Iraq just like we are totally out of West Germany and South Korea.
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Let's face it, the US did not build 50 or so military bases in Iraq to hand them over to Iraqis.

We will be "totally out" of Iraq just like we are totally out of West Germany and South Korea.
As in totally out of Vietnam , last chopper off the embassy roof.
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