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Let's just look at the first one as the rest are pretty much as careless:
OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.
You have a broad brush statement by Obama and two cherry picked statements by others. The FACTS part asserts: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

That offers no proof one way or the other, purely subjective and purely leading. "it hasn't said so" is not a rebuttal.
Here's another (without the sarcasm).

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Obama said his plan to help struggling homeowners would aid "responsible" borrowers but not someone "who bought a house he could never hope to afford."

Obama: [W]e have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford. …

But even the program's defenders concede that it can't possibly distinguish between "responsible" borrowers and those who foolishly (or fraudulently) signed up for mortgages beyond their means. The Associated Press said Obama's words "ring hollow." And the news agency quoted the Federal Reserve chairman as saying even the foolish borrowers would be aided:

AP, Feb. 25: Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Sheila Bair, chair of the FDIC, also said there was no easy way to vet homeowners. "I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," she told NPR. And, Bair added, it's in the "collective economic interest" to not have more foreclosed homes on the market. "To try to punish all of those parties now by foreclosing on more homes, putting more families on the street, putting more houses onto the inventory, creating more downward pressure on home prices when you have so much inventory on the market right now. Is that in our collective economic interest to do that? I just don't think that it is."
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You know, what has been so amazing. In what should have been a target rich environment of the State of the Union address, the best that the kids on the Right have been able to come up with is several half-hearted posts about either "who invented the car" or "whether a program does in fact have certain elements", with a Faux post that has just SEVEN potential issues, with none actually disproved and all in very subjective, obfuscating terms.

In other words, where is the intellectual objections to the meat of the speech, the broad based plan that was laid out? Why so quiet on the important stuff, choosing simply to NITPICK?

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^^^Do tell, where's the beef ?
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Here's another (without the sarcasm).
You might want to re-read the original. It is the same example.

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Was there a SOTU last night?

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Strange how two people can chafe so many!

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You seem to believe you chafe. If that is your goal, you really need to change your game because you aren't very good at it. Just a side show.

But hey, you be proud of your goals.

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Was there a SOTU last night?
The 12 year old is back. Bu bye.

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The 12 year old is back. Bu bye.
THINK THINK THINK, did O BA MA call it his SOTU speech?

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You seem to believe you chafe. If that is your goal, you really need to change your game because you aren't very good at it. Just a side show.

But hey, you be proud of your goals.
As opposed to your thinking, you enlighten
people! LOL that's fucking rich man, just rich!

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