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Quoting the Torah? The Torah is the first five books of the Bible. I would be more inclined to speak from the New Testament. And to correct you, Islam was built on the ruins of the Temple in Jerusalem, not the other way around. If Israel truly wanted you not to exist it would have demolished the Dome and rebuilt the Temple (I'm sure you can find a few crazy Jews and Christians who would like that, though). What point in time would you choose in order to declare the rightful inhabitants? If we go back before Mohammed, you would definately lose. You pick the time and tell me why. If you can make a valid argument backed by facts I may come over to your side.
Israel was not built on terroism, it was a division of land by Churchill. Areas sympathetic to the enemy were divided up and consolidated after WWII. This was all over the ME and Europe with the Russians participating in the consolidation of eastern Europe. Like it or not, due to war, that is the way it has been since the beginning of time. You have been brainwashed by the nefarious deathcult you live in. Just as you may deny the Holocaust and believe that terroism is just freedom fighting, you also buy into the fact that western civilization is aligned against you. It is not. It wants you to join the modern world as a full partner. Believe it or not, Israel does too.
Palestine has an anger that is revenge driven. I have no idea how to do it, but Palestine must find a way to be a strong economic partner with Israel an yet be a peaceful soverign nation. Palestine cannot exist without Israel, but Israel does not need Palestine for anything except labor. The world is asking for a huge change in mindset for the Palestinians. So much hatred has built up over several generations and they may not be able to be overcome it as it has consumed their lives. Only with economic success will the hatred subside. Until economic success is achieved, they will feel enslaved and subdued. Yes, I can see your perspective. You see Israel and the west as the ones controlling your destiny in the same way that the Russians saw Stalin and the Iraquis saw Saddam. The evil oppressor controlling their every day life.
I hate to stereotype, but you are spouting the usual victim hate rhetoric that is prevalent in your area of the Muslim world. I don't know you personally, but from your writings I think more of you than that. You can tell a lot about a man from the way he writes. Sometimes you can even see him speaking in your mind.
Israel is acting the way it is because they have wasted their time and energy for 60 years on the Palistinians (yes, I will stand by your side and say that Israel has done stupid things too). Virtually every olive branch has been met with a sword. They have proven that they perceive the olive branch as weakness and they only will respect the strongman. Read the sura's I posted (I mean re-read. I'm sure you have read the Koran.). Violence and a revenge based victim mentality has been engrained in Muslims for 1400 years and has suppressed you enough to keep you from joining the modern world. That may have been fine for warring tribes, but it has no place in the modern world. A change in perspective is centuries overdue. Note that I say a change in Perspective, not a change in the wording of the Koran for that would invalidate the entire book. Putting the hatred behind and moving forward would be the toughest thing to do in your life. It took centuries for the western world to reject and put the Crusades behind us. Nothing happens overnight. Luther changed Christanity into the modern religion it is today and it is still evolving. More and more Christians are de-evolving (if that is a word?) and going back to the basic tenents of the faith by believing in salvation through faith. Tear away the rules that man imposed on the religion over the centuries you have a very beautiful and simple message on how to gain favor with God. I do not answer to man, I answer to a very loving God.
I fully believe the Old Testament with it's Laws was necessary for man until he gained intellect and built strong societies. An atheist would look at this as mental evolution. At this point God felt man could hold more and the New Testament documents this. Both the OT and NT must be used together to gain understanding of what God expects from us. The OT proves the Gospel to be correct many times over. Mohammed thought enough of the OT to incorporate some of it into the Koran. After all, through Abraham we are truly brothers.
Tahloub, I don't see you as a bad person and would never, ever preach conversion. I do not denigrate the man, just the mindset. I would welcome any discussion or questions you may have concerning a western Christian perspective.