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My favorite part is the alarmists; this is a nightmare of the highest order? Geez, how about some drama?


British, French nuclear subs collide
Accident causes damage to both vessels but does not release radioactivity
Feb. 16, 2009

LONDON - Nuclear-armed submarines from Britain and France collided deep under the Atlantic Ocean earlier this month, causing damage to both vessels but releasing no radioactivity, a British official said Monday.

The British government official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. The incident was first reported by a British newspaper, the Sun.

The HMS Vanguard, Britain's first Trident class nuclear-armed submarine, and the French Le Triomphant submarine, which was also carrying nuclear missiles, both suffered minor damage.

The British official said the Vanguard's "deterrent capability remained unaffected and there was no compromise to nuclear safety." No members of the crew were injured.

The HMS Vanguard, which went into operation in 1994, is one of Britain's four nuclear-powered submarines. Each is capable of carrying up to 16 nuclear-armed Trident missiles.

France's Defense Ministry said in a brief statement Feb. 6 that the Le Triomphant had struck "a submerged object (probably a container)" during a return from a patrol, damaging the sonar dome on the front of the submarine.

The French ministry did not confirm the date of the collision, nor did it make any mention of a British submarine.

It said in the statement that no crew members were injured and confirmed that the nuclear security of the submarine was not compromised.

After the accident, the French submarine returned to its base on L'Ile Longue on France's western tip under its own power, escorted as usual by a frigate, the ministry said.

'Nuclear nightmare'
The incident sparked concern among nuclear activists, who have long warned that nuclear submarines pose risks of radioactive leaks into the world's waters.

"This is a nuclear nightmare of the highest order," said Kate Hudson, chair of Britain's Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. "The collision of two submarines, both with nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons onboard, could have released vast amounts of radiation and scattered scores of nuclear warheads across the seabed."

She called on British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to end patrols, which she said have at least one British nuclear sub in the Atlantic at all times.

Stephane Lhomme, a spokesman for the French anti-nuclear group Sortir du Nucleaire, said its network of activists is on alert for any signs of radioactive leaks near French shores.

"This reminds us that we could have a new catastrophe with a nuclear submarine at any moment. It is a risk that exists during missions but also in port," he said. "These are mobile nuclear reactors."

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Stephane Lhomme, a spokesman for the French anti-nuclear group Sortir du Nucleaire, said its network of activists is on alert for any signs of radioactive leaks near French shores.



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This was a chickenshit accident. A few years ago a US Los Angeles Class sub hit an "uncharted" underwater mountain face at flank speed. Head on. Killed a sailor and hurt a bunch of them but "made it back to port under its own power." Front ballast tanks were good and squashed, but they got to the surface and steamed back to port. The nuclear propulsion plant hardly noticed. Our subs have hit Russian subs, gotten tangled in tow lines, hit Japanese fishing trawlers, etc., etc. These things are made fairly well or they couldn't submerge and surface over and over. The captains don't fare so well though, as any "incident" other than possibly hitting a Russian sub you were following, was grounds to get bounced from the Navy. Should be a couple of captains unemployed and a few dents being repaired.

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Hey Jim
You fail to understand how good our stealth technology is
Pity the French system is as good as ours
SO they could not see each other
Simple really
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heh, heh.......hate to imagine the consequences if a US sub had been involved! heh, heh.......
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well actually Punjabi ( It is supposed to be a SECRET)
But seems the Brits gotta tell the Yanks which bit of ocean they are playing in so that the Yanks can avoid hitting our submarines
I do wonder what kind of stealth technology that underwater mountain was fitted with though.
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well actually Punjabi ( It is supposed to be a SECRET)
But seems the Brits gotta tell the Yanks which bit of ocean they are playing in so that the Yanks can avoid hitting our submarines
I do wonder what kind of stealth technology that underwater mountain was fitted with though.
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heh, heh.......similar technology to the ICEBERG that confused the TITANIC lookout! heh, heh........
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Imagine the repercussions had it been the Le Valois and the HMS Plantagenet.

They finally posted a picture of one of the subs but while originally thought to be the British vessel, the color suggested it might have been the French boat.


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well actually Punjabi ( It is supposed to be a SECRET)
But seems the Brits gotta tell the Yanks which bit of ocean they are playing in so that the Yanks can avoid hitting our submarines
I do wonder what kind of stealth technology that underwater mountain was fitted with though.
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Well, that underwater mountain, like all underwater mountains was the epitome of stealth. It had its engines shut down and was not moving. Not even a drunken Limey sailor onboard knocking about looking for grog.

In case you were wondering, it is terrible bad form to actively ping things when you are a British or French nuclear powered submarine trying to maintain whatever pitiful level of stealth you may be able to muster. As a result the game being played is based on detecting sounds from necessary equipment running inside the ship, as well as from the propulsion system, presuming you are underway. There is no "stealth cloaking device" in a world of hydrophones and synthetic aperture arrays. There are thermoclines and other naturally occurring phenomena that can be exploited to provide, perhaps unreliably and of unpredictable efficacy, simulated "cloaking" abilities. But please, you don't ping when you are in a sub unless you want to make the enemy's sonar operator bleed from the ears. Especially when you are in a British or French ship with half a real propulsion plant and you don't have a chance in hell of making a silent, stealthy dash at at a high enough speed to reach a distance that is far enough away to reestablish stealth before you are tracked.

Given the likelihood the two were stalking each other and trying to be stealthy at the time of the collision, it is very unlikely either one was moving with any great speed. So the collision was a pussified event, especially when compared with colliding with an unchartered, submerged mountain at flank speed in a ship that can keep up with aircraft carriers. In that case the submarine hit after conducting a 360 degree sweep to listen for anyone tracking them, concluded they were all clear and wound the throttles open to flank. A few minutes later they hit the mountain, which, like most mountains was not making any noise, since it was not really going anywhere. Given those circumstances and the relationship between velocity and noise amplitudes - an exponential relationship at about the square of the speed vs. power relationship for these ships - it is very hard to detect submerged mountains when you are moving.

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That is an 'apparently' mislabeled depiction of the HMS Redonkulous.

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