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'Doom' talk scored as 'not presidential'

Poses risk for 'Yes, we can' candidate...

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From crisis to catastrophe. Off a cliff. Dark, darker, darkest. Mortal danger of absolute collapse. Armageddon.

President Obama and top Democrats on Capitol Hill are deploying these and other stark predictions of doom and gloom to push through their economic-stimulus package. In terms not heard in Washington since the late 1970s under President Jimmy Carter's watch, the new president has sought to terrify Americans into supporting the $800 billion-plus bailout bill.

While President Bush was accused shortly after taking office in 2001 of "talking down the economy" - and for saying the economy was "slowing down" - Mr. Obama is using ever-heightening hyperbole to hammer home his message. But the strategy brings great risk for the "Yes, We Can" man, who just three weeks ago told America in his inaugural address that despite "a sapping of confidence across our land," his election meant Americans had "chosen hope over fear."

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"Mr. Hope has to be careful not to become Dr. Doom," said Frank Luntz, a political consultant and author of the book "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear."

"The danger for him is using the Jimmy Carter malaise rhetoric, particularly for Mr. Obama, who was elected because people thought he was the solution. There's only so much negativity they will tolerate from him before they will feel betrayed," Mr. Luntz said.

Brad Blakeman, a senior aide to Mr. Bush from 2001 to 2004, said the new president's language is immature.

"It's not presidential. An American leader needs to be hopeful and optimistic - and truthful. Everything he says is parsed; everything he says is searched for deep meaning. When he goes to 'DefCon 5' on the economy and says that we're on the brink of catastrophe, it's absolutely insane."

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With his fiery rhetoric, the new president runs the risk of terrifying consumers and investors, which could depress the economy even further. While the economy is bad, it is a far cry from Great Depression levels, when as many as 30 percent of Americans were unemployed, compared with the 7.6 percent now.

Every president must walk a rhetorical tightrope when talking about the economy, a lesson Mr. Bush learned quickly, being bashed just after taking office for delivering somber news. The United States was just entering a mild recession - it had been in one, it turns out, for about nine months - and the new president said so.

Liberals went berserk.

"Every time we turn around, this guy is bad-mouthing the economy. Is that lifting our spirit or dumping on it in order to sell his tax cut?" liberal comentator Bill Press said on CNN. Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, in an article headlined "Thanks Ever So Much, President Poor-Mouth," said, "Even if Bush turns out to be right in his predictions of gloom, that doesn't mean he was right to make them." The New York Times lectured Mr. Bush, saying that presidents were supposed to be "cheerleaders for the nation's economy."

But Mr. Bush tried that, too. As the United States recovered from the economic devastation caused by the 9/11 attacks, the president constantly talked up the economy, asserting that the American work force could compete with any in the world, and he assured Americans that happy days were right around the corner. Even as the currrent recession took hold, he continued to portray the nation's future in optimistic tones.

For all his effort, he was portrayed as a Pollyannish rube whose naivete so clouded his vision that he could not see the stark reality of the economic situation. How else to explain his optimism in the face of $4-a-gallon gas or exploding unemployment, or presidential statements a year ago, such as "I don't think we're headed to a recession, but no question we're in a slowdown."

Mr. Obama has gone much further than that. Just Friday, Mr. Obama said a report that 600,000 jobs were lost in January meant "it's getting worse, not getting better. ... Although we had a terrible year with respect to jobs last year, the problem is accelerating, not decelerating." Last week he said, "A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."

But he isn't the only Democrat ramping up the rhetoric while talking down the economy. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said last month that our economy "is dark, darker, darkest." Rep. David R. Obey of Wisconsin said, "This economy is in mortal danger of absolute collapse." And Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri said of the economic-stimulus bill, "If we don't pass this thing, it's Armageddon."

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Dude, welcome to reality!
Maybe it's going to take a while for you to snap to it once you realize tat Bush is really gone. Yes, he's gone and real news is harsh baby, no sugar coating for you. Oh, I meant no Vaseline
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Why are people afraid to hear the truth? This is really, REALLY important.

The former head in the sand approach really can't just be continued. Denial is no longer an option.

Is it just because it so vividly points out the failures of the Bush Administration that folks want Obama to stop using clear, concise language to frame this problem?

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I say manipulate me baby. I enjoyed it last time with the WMD speech. Just another, more expensive hand job this go 'round. Maybe we'll get lotion this time.

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I say manipulate me baby. I enjoyed it last time with the WMD speech. Just another, more expensive hand job this go 'round. Maybe we'll get lotion this time.
But with the WMD speech, all you stood a chance of losing was a family member or your own life [all of which is more than bad enough]. This one can destroy a nation if it is not done correctly.

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Why are people afraid to hear the truth? This is really, REALLY important.

The former head in the sand approach really can't just be continued. Denial is no longer an option.

Is it just because it so vividly points out the failures of the Bush Administration that folks want Obama to stop using clear, concise language to frame this problem?
This song and dance is carried out to get his social spending bills passed.

It's that malaise and beaten down American psyche all over again. Going from a "Yes we can" to "Yes we're screwed" message within a few months is close to deceit in my book.

This quote is a key point.

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With his fiery rhetoric, the new president runs the risk of terrifying consumers and investors, which could depress the economy even further. While the economy is bad, it is a far cry from Great Depression levels, when as many as 30 percent of Americans were unemployed, compared with the 7.6 percent now.
Unfortunately, Bear, you have turned into a serious OBA cheerleader.

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How many Presidents was he speaking too? I thought he was speaking to honest, hard working Americans that want some truth and plain talk.
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This song and dance is carried out to get his social spending bills passed.

It's that malaise and beaten down American psyche all over again. Going from a "Yes we can" to "Yes we're screwed" message within a few months is close to deceit in my book.

This quote is a key point.



Unfortunately, Bear, you have turned into a serious OBA cheerleader.
We're going to start calling you, jay,uni and a couple of others around here "the spin doctors". "yes we can" is a saying that gradually got farmed out to China by dubya and his big business buddies. "yes we're screwed IF" we don't decide on an appropriate action and stimulus plan SOON and get an agreement by the GOP. Wake up mlfy, your dubya cheerleading days are over. Realize that this country is in serious shit and it needs to be fixed. And not by a bunch of mfers patting each others asses and handing each other 7 figure checks!

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This song and dance is carried out to get his social spending bills passed.

It's that malaise and beaten down American psyche all over again. Going from a "Yes we can" to "Yes we're screwed" message within a few months is close to deceit in my book.

This quote is a key point.



Unfortunately, Bear, you have turned into a serious OBA cheerleader.
I am simply focusing on the need for an economic solution to keep us out of the shitter. I really had no care as to where it came from as long as it worked. That is why I have been "cheerleading" the bipartisan compromise that will come through the conference committee. THAT is the one that will build the best consensus and have the best chance of working.

On the Obama side, I still don't see a drift of message from "yes, we can". Just because he provides an honest assessment of where we are today does not mean that we can't dig out of it.

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