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exactly


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we do not need to work within existing channels
Are you one of those running up the price of my guns & ammo?

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Two today and Richardson. Who else? Those are the three I mentioned.

Your question was "I mean how many nominees have had to w/draw already?"
God bear! You just close your eyes and pretend the earth is not round. Maybe you will believe it some day, but don't ask the rest of the real world to join you in your delusions. Change your meds while you still can! To quote your new President today: "I screwed up," Obama said repeatedly during a series of TV interviews. "I take responsibility for this mistake."

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Take a peak at the National Debt. It looks like a butcher shop.
That is not the work of our former President Bush. It is the work of your democRAT friends on the Hill, and you know it!

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But it doesn't come anywhere near an Obama $T1+ barrel of pork, now does it?


War costs could total $1.6 trillion by 2009, panel estimates


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The total economic impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is estimated at $1.6 trillion by 2009, a congressional committee said in a report released Tuesday.

That is nearly double the $804 billion in direct war costs the White House requested so far from Congress, the Democratic-led Joint Economic Committee said.

The committee estimated $1.3 trillion in war costs by the end of 2008 for Iraq, and the remainder for Afghanistan.

The total war costs could grow to $3.5 trillion by 2017, the committee estimated.

The higher total economic impact comes from, among other things, the cost of borrowing money to pay for the war, lost productivity, higher oil prices and the cost of health care for veterans, the committee said.

The committee calculated the average cost of both wars for a family of four would be $20,900 from 2002 to 2008. The cost for a family of four would go up to $46,400 from 2002 to 2017, the committee said.

The estimate was released as Democrats launch a new effort to force a withdrawal from the widely unpopular conflict. Senate Republicans dismissed the report as a political document, arguing that Democrats have "hyped" the war's impact on oil prices.

"For every dollar we spend directly in Iraq, we're going to pay another dollar for the indirect, but immediate, costs of the war," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said. "We of the baby boom generation and our children and grandchildren will be paying for this war for a very long time to come."

"We cannot afford this war -- $12 billion dollars a month?" Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said. "We just can't. We can't continue."

Schumer said finances will become a significant factor in the ongoing debate regarding the course of the conflicts.

"The cost of the war is becoming the $800 billion gorilla in the room when it comes to opposition in the war," he said. "It is becoming the first thing that people mention after the loss of life when they're opposed to this war."

"And the people who mention it, many of them, are not people who were against the war in the past," Schumer added.

Office of Budget and Management Director Jim Nussle dismissed the report, saying "the Congressional leadership is attempting to manipulate economic data for public relations purposes."

"There are several ... distortions within the report, such as attempting to tie war costs to overall business investment and the price of oil."

Republicans, who said they were not included in the preparation of the report, also said the country has little choice but continue to bear the costs of the war.

"We have been protected from attack here at home," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky said. "There's progress that is obviously being made in Iraq."

"We need to finish the job, and finish the job is to leave Iraq in a condition that it can defend itself and be an ally in the war on terror," he said.




And let's not forget the 700 Billion corporate welfare give away spearheaded by the PFA.
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For once I have to agree with you on this. This is not little over sites.
What? You mean oversight?
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War costs could total $1.6 trillion by 2009, panel estimates


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The total economic impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is estimated at $1.6 trillion by 2009, a congressional committee said in a report released Tuesday.

That is nearly double the $804 billion in direct war costs the White House requested so far from Congress, the Democratic-led Joint Economic Committee said.

The committee estimated $1.3 trillion in war costs by the end of 2008 for Iraq, and the remainder for Afghanistan.

The total war costs could grow to $3.5 trillion by 2017, the committee estimated.

The higher total economic impact comes from, among other things, the cost of borrowing money to pay for the war, lost productivity, higher oil prices and the cost of health care for veterans, the committee said.

The committee calculated the average cost of both wars for a family of four would be $20,900 from 2002 to 2008. The cost for a family of four would go up to $46,400 from 2002 to 2017, the committee said.

The estimate was released as Democrats launch a new effort to force a withdrawal from the widely unpopular conflict. Senate Republicans dismissed the report as a political document, arguing that Democrats have "hyped" the war's impact on oil prices.

"For every dollar we spend directly in Iraq, we're going to pay another dollar for the indirect, but immediate, costs of the war," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said. "We of the baby boom generation and our children and grandchildren will be paying for this war for a very long time to come."

"We cannot afford this war -- $12 billion dollars a month?" Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said. "We just can't. We can't continue."

Schumer said finances will become a significant factor in the ongoing debate regarding the course of the conflicts.

"The cost of the war is becoming the $800 billion gorilla in the room when it comes to opposition in the war," he said. "It is becoming the first thing that people mention after the loss of life when they're opposed to this war."

"And the people who mention it, many of them, are not people who were against the war in the past," Schumer added.

Office of Budget and Management Director Jim Nussle dismissed the report, saying "the Congressional leadership is attempting to manipulate economic data for public relations purposes."

"There are several ... distortions within the report, such as attempting to tie war costs to overall business investment and the price of oil."

Republicans, who said they were not included in the preparation of the report, also said the country has little choice but continue to bear the costs of the war.

"We have been protected from attack here at home," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky said. "There's progress that is obviously being made in Iraq."

"We need to finish the job, and finish the job is to leave Iraq in a condition that it can defend itself and be an ally in the war on terror," he said.




And let's not forget the 700 Billion corporate welfare give away spearheaded by the PFA.
That is even MORE BOGUS than you are...

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That is even MORE BOGUS than you are...
I agree with you J, I think those numbers are LOW. Iraq had a much higher cost than $1.3T in cumulative spending and total overhead.

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Take a peak at the National Debt. It looks like a butcher shop.
Now you sang that song before the election so many times it nauseates me. You correctly identified a disease; what is your position on the Dem treatment of the disease by spending a trillion bucks more that has to be borrowed?

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I'm glad that the war cost so much. That means just that much less money for the Dem conversion to socialism.

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What was the name of the federal department in charge of saving? Only ones I know about are just spending ones.
And therein lies much of the problem.

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