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Explain again why assault weapons are "legitimate".

I have no problem with firearms ownership. I have no problem with every citizen having the right to own them [with the exception of felons and the mentally disturbed] but the argument that the 90s era Assault Weapons Ban was bad is just silly.

The Second Amendment argument does not really hold as there was no envisioning of a class of weapons, designed for the military to be available for everyone.
And by the way I do not have to explain why anything is legitimate. The government and our elected leaders have to explain why they continuously circumvent the constitution.

Also, the architects of the Constitution envisioned a government that would someday become too onerous and tyrannical in its treatment of citizens. The second amendment was the fail safe to that. So for you to say that the government was envisioned to be the ones who hold the ultimate weaponry exclusively, I would disagree with that.

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I'm sorry, since when do you not support the rule of law?

The second amendment is quite clear in its language. If there was something that comes up after it was drafted there is a process for amending it.

This is my whole problem with liberalism in general. There are no anchors. There is no "Truth." There is only "Situational truth."
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And by the way I do not have to explain why anything is legitimate. The government and our elected leaders have to explain why they continuously circumvent the constitution.

Also, the architects of the Constitution envisioned a government that would someday become too onerous and tyrannical in its treatment of citizens. The second amendment was the fail safe to that. So for you to say that the government was envisioned to be the ones who hold the ultimate weaponry exclusively, I would disagree with that.
What about nukes, battleships, bombers, jet fighters etc, should they all be distributed among the people that form a militia? I got space for an ICBM in backyard.
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I'm sorry, since when do you not support the rule of law?

The second amendment is quite clear in its language. If there was something that comes up after it was drafted there is a process for amending it.

This is my whole problem with liberalism in general. There are no anchors. There is no "Truth." There is only "Situational truth."
Yes there are procedures for amending. But there are also laws on the books, whose process is defined by the Constitution that provides latitude for many things that were not available to the founders.

Note, the "Clinton Assault Weapons Ban" does nothing to stop or endanger the Second Amendment. You are correct, it is quite clear "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. ". At no part does it say that the Alcohol, tobacco and Firearms folks can't restrict certain classes of weapons, just that there is a right to bear arms.

And since ATF and the legally signed Clinton act are LAW, I am not, under any circumstance "not supporting the rule of law".

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And by the way I do not have to explain why anything is legitimate. The government and our elected leaders have to explain why they continuously circumvent the constitution.

Also, the architects of the Constitution envisioned a government that would someday become too onerous and tyrannical in its treatment of citizens. The second amendment was the fail safe to that. So for you to say that the government was envisioned to be the ones who hold the ultimate weaponry exclusively, I would disagree with that.
I thought you said the Second Amendment was clear. Where are all those assumptions you just stated written in those 27 words?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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Is God a situational truth or The Truth?
I think God is an Absolute Truth.

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What about nukes, battleships, bombers, jet fighters etc, should they all be distributed among the people that form a militia? I got space for an ICBM in backyard.
If you can afford it go for it.

Another example of why if we want to regulate something and the Constitution says that it shouldn't be, we need to amend the Constitution.

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Yes, that's true, but George Bush is not God.

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I thought you said the Second Amendment was clear. Where are all those assumptions you just stated written in those 27 words?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Well sir, I would the same of you. Where are all the assumptions you just stated when you wrote:

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The Second Amendment argument does not really hold as there was no envisioning of a class of weapons, designed for the military to be available for everyone.
If you read any of the works from Jefferson or many of the other Architects of the Constitution you will see exactly what I am referring to.

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If you can afford it go for it.

Another example of why if we want to regulate something and the Constitution says that it shouldn't be, we need to amend the Constitution.
So having a permanent standing army is in reality unconstitutional, right?
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