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His job is to enforce the Constitution, a Newsweek poll is not germane to that decision making. And at this point in time GITMO violates both US laws and the Geneva Conventions of which we are a signatory.

Your comment that "he has not made his definition of torture known" borders on ludicrous. He has stated that "We will abide by the Geneva Conventions". Enough said. There is no logical expectation to "define" torture. It has been defined. Bushie just chose to ignore the law and the definition.
Not only that, he has in fact made his definition of torture known. He has instructed all branches of government to refer to The Army Field Manual for any and all questions on what torture is and is not.

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So being at Club Gitmo where they have free medical care, their own cell, 3 squares a day of their religiously prescribed food, access to religious services that is torture?
Tell me, do you even know the reasons why Gitmo was chosen as the location for this prison? Come on, show us how smart you are, and tell us why, in a country awash in prisons, this place was chosen...

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Here you go. Maybe this will clear it up for you.


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With the signing of an executive order Thursday, President Obama put the U.S. military and CIA on the same page when it comes to interrogating prisoners captured in the war on terrorism.
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Yes, we the US will now play nice so the bleeding hearts among us will feel good and perhaps spend a couple more dollars buying their next Audi, BMW or Prius.
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Is that all there is to it then? I'd say your friend has a rather broad definition of general labor. Maybe he should actually visit a construction site sometime.
Why don't you pick up the phone and ask him yourself. Here is the URL. If he is in the Challenger I can give you that satellite number to call. R.J. Corman Railroad Group

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But that part is really irrelevant. What is important is that if you're white, and you own a construction company, and you expect to get any of the Fed infrastructure work you have to align yourself with someone whose qualifications begin and end with either gender or skin color. Wealth redistribution. I was hoping that with a black president, affirmative action would be stopped. Hasn't he proven that the system isn't holding anyone back.
I am seeing no problem whatsoever with bidding that is starting to come through the federal system. The assumption that you have to align yourself with someone whose qualifications begin and end with gender or skin color is simply braindead and more Fear, Uncertainty, Confusion and Dread being spread by the right because they lack real facts.

If you are using gender and race bias as an excuse for not getting bids, you really need to look at YOUR work, my bet is that is where the issue lies. Quit trying to blame any failure on your part on others. It's a sign of weakness.

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Yes, we the US will now play LEGAL so the bleeding hearts among us will feel good and perhaps spend a couple more dollars buying their next Audi, BMW or Prius.
Fixed that for ya.

Why do you have such an issue with the country following the law?

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Fixed that for ya.

Why do you have such an issue with the country following the law?
I don't. It is a matter of priorities and how the agenda is shaped. There are plenty of intellectual elites who couldn't care less about economic issues as long as their goals for social change are achieved. If Obama does not rein them in, watch out, the country will be bogged down in abortion, military sex, etc. issues in a hurry.
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Fixed that for ya.

Why do you have such an issue with the country following the law?
Hey, how is this LEGAL ; surely these victims deserve a legal hearing before being sentenced to death if the current administration wants to be legit in the "international community" ? Where is the CONSISTENCY ?


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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Jan. 23 -- At least 20 people were killed in northwest Pakistan near the border of Afghanistan on Friday in two suspected U.S. missile strikes, marking the first such attack in Pakistan's tribal areas since President Obama's inauguration.

A U.S. Predator drone fired three missiles at a compound about two miles from the town of Mirali in the tribal area of North Waziristan about 5:15 p.m., according to a Pakistani security official and local residents. The precision strike leveled a compound, which was owned by local tribal elder Khalil Malik, killing at least 10 suspected militants, including five foreign nationals, according to the Pakistani security official. The site of the attack is about 30 miles east of the Afghan border.
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I don't. It is a matter of priorities and how the agenda is shaped. There are plenty of intellectual elites who couldn't care less about economic issues as long as their goals for social change are achieved. If Obama does not rein them in, watch out, the country will be bogged down in abortion, military sex, etc. issues in a hurry.
That is the cool part about a President who has a brain. He can multitask very well. Treasury and Commerce working on the economy, Labor working on jobs development, AG working on legal issues with GITMO, Defense working with Iraq, Afghanistan and Terrorism. Health and Human services working with sex.

This isn't Bush where he got focused on one thing and dropped everything else. This is how it is suppose to run. Multiple parallel systems working together.

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