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And yet the vast majority of Americans enjoy a higher standard of living than most Euopeans. Hmmmm....puzzling.

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lol.. that's kind of funny. define the standard. europeans sure have more freedoms.. work less.. etc. etc.

besides, USA is going down the tubes fast. it's only going to get worse.
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hahaha, thank you for the such in-depth answer...thank you for clearing that up
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lol.. that's kind of funny. define the standard. europeans sure have more freedoms.. work less.. etc. etc.

besides, USA is going down the tubes fast. it's only going to get worse.
Wow! Europeans have more freedoms!

Well there you have it folks.

The ultimate in cluelessness.

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Wow! Europeans have more freedoms!

Well there you have it folks.

The ultimate in cluelessness.
wow.. you are clueless. sorry man. good luck with your stuff then. you will need it. and yes, ;et me repeated again, europeans have more freedoms. now, think about it or look into it. maybe some day you'll get it.. i doubt it but in this season of hope, lol, i'm still hoping you will. good luck.



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And yet the vast majority of Americans enjoy a higher standard of living than most Euopeans. Hmmmm....puzzling.
I'm not sure you can substantiate that with those annoying facts and statistics.

When it comes to education, health care, work standards, vacation time, the European Middle Class usually scores higher on every standard. When you add care for the poor, the only group that does better in the US is the top 15-20%.

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Please show us those who lack critical thinking skills why it was so poorly written, especialy the part about how well social democracy has worked for most of Europe
OK, let's play. And we will use YOUR example.
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A victory for social democracy even after most of Europe has come to the painful conclusion that social democracy leads to mediocrity, failure, unemployment, inflation, higher taxes and economic stagnation.
Now, if we look at that sentence on the surface it suggests that an OBAMA victory is going to give us all of these things. Yet, if we look at it with those annoying facts, we see that we already have inflation, we already have high taxes [spread out over federal, state, county, city, gasoline, utility, school, etc], unemployment at near record rates [and growing quickly] and not only economic stagnation but actual economic recession and deflation. And this is all under the guidance of the opposition. Two of the six conclusions [mediocrity and failure] are subjective and not easily metered but if you correlate them to the record low Consumer Confidence numbers and Purchasing Manager numbers they gain credibility.

So, your example, in which the article tries to say that under Obama we would end up like Europe, really shows that NeoCon policies already have our economics WORSE than in Europe, our Education test scores WORSE than Europe and our standards of living WORSE than Europe.

That, in a nut shell explains the drivel and why it is so poorly written. Not only is it a hate piece, it is inaccurate, misleading and its writing simply lacks thought.

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wow.. you are clueless. sorry man. good luck with your stuff then. you will need it. and yes, ;et me repeated again, europeans have more freedoms. now, think about it or look into it. maybe some day you'll get it.. i doubt it but in this season of hope, lol, i'm still hoping you will. good luck.
Let's use our Constitution as a starting point and keep it simple with our Bill of Rights shall we?

Freedom of Speech:

US it is absolute unless you yell "Fire" in a crowded theater.
EU has much more stringent Rules, you can't utter Racist speech or other Hate speech for example. Then it becomes what is hate speech.

Freedom of Religion:

US it is absolute unless of course you are talking human sacrifice.
From what I have seen the EU enjoys the same but you have to go through a government bureaucracy to declare your religious holidays and an approval process to boot.

Right to bear arms:

US it is still legal to own a firearm in the US, although the liberal side of the country wants to change that.
EU has very strict firearms laws that out law all but shotguns and collector pieces in almost every member country.

3rd ammendment:

US says not quartering of soldiers in civilian homes during times of peace and in times of war only as prescribed by law.
EU has no such provision.

4th Amendment or freedom from unreasonable search and seizure:
US the police must have probable cause to stop you. Search Warrants that speak to the specific area(s) to be searched and your right to remain silent of course.
EU police can stop you whenever they feel like it. There is no need for probable cause. Some members of the EU require specific descriptions in their "Writs of Search" but most merely require a senior police official (not a judge) to sign off on the writ.

5th amendment. Indictment of Grand Jury, double jeopardy all that.
US we got all that.
EU They are just getting around to putting that stuff into play now.

6th amendment. Speedy trial, right to be informed of charges, guaranteed counsel, confront witnesses against, etc.
We got it.
EU has some forms of it in most of the member states but not all.

So that is just a basic smattering. Where would you like to go from here?

Who's John Galt.

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Let's use our Constitution as a starting point and keep it simple with our Bill of Rights shall we?

Freedom of Speech:

US it is absolute unless you yell "Fire" in a crowded theater.
EU has much more stringent Rules, you can't utter Racist speech or other Hate speech for example. Then it becomes what is hate speech.

Freedom of Religion:

US it is absolute unless of course you are talking human sacrifice.
From what I have seen the EU enjoys the same but you have to go through a government bureaucracy to declare your religious holidays and an approval process to boot.

Right to bear arms:

US it is still legal to own a firearm in the US, although the liberal side of the country wants to change that.
EU has very strict firearms laws that out law all but shotguns and collector pieces in almost every member country.

3rd ammendment:

US says not quartering of soldiers in civilian homes during times of peace and in times of war only as prescribed by law.
EU has no such provision.

4th Amendment or freedom from unreasonable search and seizure:
US the police must have probable cause to stop you. Search Warrants that speak to the specific area(s) to be searched and your right to remain silent of course.
EU police can stop you whenever they feel like it. There is no need for probable cause. Some members of the EU require specific descriptions in their "Writs of Search" but most merely require a senior police official (not a judge) to sign off on the writ.

5th amendment. Indictment of Grand Jury, double jeopardy all that.
US we got all that.
EU They are just getting around to putting that stuff into play now.

6th amendment. Speedy trial, right to be informed of charges, guaranteed counsel, confront witnesses against, etc.
We got it.
EU has some forms of it in most of the member states but not all.

So that is just a basic smattering. Where would you like to go from here?
Preferably a more honest list if you feel compelled to do an A-B comparison.

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I'm not sure you can substantiate that with those annoying facts and statistics.

When it comes to education, health care, work standards, vacation time, the Euroopean Middle Class usually scores higher on every standard. When you add care for the poor, the only group that does better in the US is the top 15-20%.
Ahh yes. Health care, work standards, vacation time. I don't agree that those are an impartial measurement.

But let's look at them anyway.

How are we measuring better healthcare?
What work Standards are you referring to?
Vacation time, yeah they got us beat on that.
Let's also throw in Home ownership, disposable income and stuff like that.

Who's John Galt.

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