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Yes, it was the hence that suggested blame. Truman only had the reigns for 100 days of the war. I understand he was quite busy during that time.

And I am very mixed on that atomic bomb use. Considering the alternative was saturation and incendiary bombing "ala Dresden" to soften up the island for invasion where it was estimated 1,000,000 Allied troops would be killed it seems in many ways that dropping two bombs, killing "just" 180,000 served the purposes of both saving many Japanese and Allied troops lives AND providing an object lesson to not use nuclear weapons again.

It was a very difficult decision either way.
Ah thought so Bear, jumping across languages can some times lead to misunderstandings, but dropping those bombs was the one of the worst crimes in living history IMO and makes the American made phosphorus fire crackers in Gaza look like a traffic violation rather than a war crime if that is the case.
Most Americans have been indoctrinated to accept them as justified on 'they saved lives' bullshit, but we look at the proliferation of them and the fact that they now are in the hands of less stable form of religious fuck up does not bear out there use, they should have never been assembled as they will cost more lives than they ever saved.

But did you like the IBM joke? I don't think anyone else here would have got it!
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Unless it's Gaza, then we call it a game park, right?

fetching is what it meant to say to CLK, English is not my frist language, but then it's not even yours it the Englishmans. You could flip that coin and swap Gaza with Israel in some peoples opinion .

Ah, the gift which keeps on giving. You've got to get your buddy DR to get you in line, as I've now stooped to bolding a couple of your endless solecisms which really isn't becoming of me, now is it..
Nor is wearing that fucking silly hat
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Ah thought so Bear, jumping across languages can some times lead to misunderstandings, but dropping those bombs was the one of the worst crimes in living history IMO and makes the American made phosphorus fire crackers in Gaza look like a traffic violation rather than a war crime if that is the case.
Most Americans have been indoctrinated to accept them as justified on 'they saved lives' bullshit, but we look at the proliferation of them and the fact that they now are in the hands of less stable form of religious fuck up does not bear out there use, they should have never been assembled as they will cost more lives than they ever saved.

But did you like the IBM joke? I don't think anyone else here would have got it!
Watson would be proud [and kept a record].

Since everyone was hurdling toward nuclear weapons at the same time, I think the proliferation issue is moot to the one time use. I really think that use kept them from becoming tactical instead of staying strategic in nature.

But if you look at the two bombings in relation to either the fire storms of Tokyo or Dresden, they produced much less death and damage but showed a potential to Japan that incendiaries could not begin to show. An enemy with resolve would look at incendiary attack and calculate attrition of homeland vs attrition of attacking forces through defenses. But with a single bomb from a single plane, their matrices were completely skewed as they did not know what we had or how many.

Was is "justifiable"? I doubt that will ever be answered well. A very strong case can be argued either way. But it did provide an object lesson that has fortunately lasted sixty three years so that is certainly a good thing.

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Watson would be proud [and kept a record].

Since everyone was hurdling toward nuclear weapons at the same time, I think the proliferation issue is moot to the one time use. I really think that use kept them from becoming tactical instead of staying strategic in nature.

But if you look at the two bombings in relation to either the fire storms of Tokyo or Dresden, they produced much less death and damage but showed a potential to Japan that incendiaries could not begin to show. An enemy with resolve would look at incendiary attack and calculate attrition of homeland vs attrition of attacking forces through defenses. But with a single bomb from a single plane, their matrices were completely skewed as they did not know what we had or how many.

I'll put that in the food for thought.

Was is "justifiable"? I doubt that will ever be answered well. A very strong case can be argued either way. But it did provide an object lesson that has fortunately lasted sixty three years so that is certainly a good thing.
I'll not hold my breath on that, given the hands these are now in. As in history 63 years is a long time for an American, so I see your point of view.
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I'll not hold my breath on that, given the hands these are now in. As in history 63 years is a long time for an American, so I see your point of view.
In nuclear history it is forever -2 months.

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