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hahha you know me clk , if there's a fight in the Bar I'll be in the middle of it. I must say your hairs look rather feaching today
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hahha you know me clk , if there's a fight in the Bar I'll be in the middle of it. I must say your hairs look rather feaching today
Out with it DR, does your pal mean "fetching" or "felching"?

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while Truman was in office, I didn't say he set them up, but I will point out that a concentration camp by any other name is still a concentration camp.
Unless it's Gaza, then we call it a game park, right?

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Ah, the gift which keeps on giving. You've got to get your buddy DR to get you in line, as I've now stooped to bolding a couple of your endless solecisms which really isn't becoming of me, now is it..
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They were still in affect until late 45 while Truman was in office, I didn't say he set them up, but I will point out that a concentration camp by any other name is still a concentration camp. No Truman was the lunatic that used Atomic weaponry on civilians, Roosevelt was the one that used fear to subjugate citizens. Or is that being picky ? Arr sorry Bear I did use the word 'hence' which may lead to thought of initialisation ( a little IBM Nazi joke there), I'll give you that much. But hang on he could have done the right thing and let them go , so FUCK IT, I'll take it back.
Yes, it was the hence that suggested blame. Truman only had the reigns for 100 days of the war. I understand he was quite busy during that time.

And I am very mixed on that atomic bomb use. Considering the alternative was saturation and incendiary bombing "ala Dresden" to soften up the island for invasion where it was estimated 1,000,000 Allied troops would be killed it seems in many ways that dropping two bombs, killing "just" 180,000 served the purposes of both saving many Japanese and Allied troops lives AND providing an object lesson to not use nuclear weapons again.

It was a very difficult decision either way.

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The bomb was the right move.
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Why? The outcome was already decided. Japan was breathing its last gasps.

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^It saved American lives. Japan had already shown it would not concede defeat.
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Yes, it was the hence that suggested blame. Truman only had the reigns for 100 days of the war. I understand he was quite busy during that time.

And I am very mixed on that atomic bomb use. Considering the alternative was saturation and incendiary bombing "ala Dresden" to soften up the island for invasion where it was estimated 1,000,000 Allied troops would be killed it seems in many ways that dropping two bombs, killing "just" 180,000 served the purposes of both saving many Japanese and Allied troops lives AND providing an object lesson to not use nuclear weapons again.

It was a very difficult decision either way.

It's also very difficult to second-guess from our remove in time and place. Back then, accurate reports of unspeakable Japanese wartime atrocities were quite fresh in everyone's minds--they were still going on. Nearly half of our soldiers in Japanese captivity died. The corresponding figure for German captivity was 2%. And death, alas, was welcome for many at the hands of the Japanese.
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It's also very difficult to second-guess from our remove in time and place.
Exactly. The most significant hurdle to understanding and profiting from history.
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Why? The outcome was already decided. Japan was breathing its last gasps.
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