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Too true.

I love how the Democrats feed on themselves. I thought the late night comics had it easy with Bush. The material will write itself for the next four years.

Who's John Galt.

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Well, as least it is healthy to see Congress reemerge as a co-equal branch of the government, challenging the power of the executive. As you well know, the Republican majority Congress, and to large extent even the Democratic majority Congress after 2006, has been rendered practically irrelevant by Bush and his puppet master Cheney. In their view, the Congress was there just to be - well, another annoying entity to fork over the money whenever they asked for it to pay for their wars and other activities to enrich their already rich friends.

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Well, as least it is healthy to see Congress reemerge as a co-equal branch of the government, challenging the power of the executive. As you well know, the Republican majority Congress, and to large extent even the Democratic majority Congress after 2006, has been rendered practically irrelevant by Bush and his puppet master Cheney. In their view, the Congress was there just to be - well, another annoying entity to fork over the money whenever they asked for it to pay for their wars and other activities to enrich their already rich friends.
Co-equal is not the correct characterization.

It is a manifestation of modern revisionist historians. The way our government was set up was to have the ability to have checks and balances. There is a difference and it is very important.

The Executive pretty much has the ability to do whatever they want. The checks in place are the Congressional ability to fund or not fund and the Supreme Court's ability to rule it unconstitutional.

The Congress can do whatever the hell they want because they control the money but the President can Veto whatever it is and the Supreme court can rule whatever it is illegal.

The Supreme Court can not do anything proactively (although the liberal justices over the years have tried with varying degrees of efficacy).

The point is that all 3 branches are able to do as they damn well please. It is the "Watchdog" type of governance though. The problem with it is that it is like a fire alarm. For the fire alarm to go off there has to be a fire.

Over the years Congress has eroded the executive powers away considerably. Bush made no bones about it when he was running for office. Now the real test is to see if Obama will give any of it up.

I would say that I would take bets that Obama will not give up much if any, of the consolidated executive power that Bush took back from Congress.

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I would say that I would take bets that Obama will not give up much if any, of the consolidated executive power that Bush took back from Congress.
Hopefully he'll use those powers more wisely than his predecessor, but then again, how could he not.
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Co-equal is not the correct characterization.

It is a manifestation of modern revisionist historians. The way our government was set up was to have the ability to have checks and balances. There is a difference and it is very important.

The Executive pretty much has the ability to do whatever they want. The checks in place are the Congressional ability to fund or not fund and the Supreme Court's ability to rule it unconstitutional.

The Congress can do whatever the hell they want because they control the money but the President can Veto whatever it is and the Supreme court can rule whatever it is illegal.

The Supreme Court can not do anything proactively (although the liberal justices over the years have tried with varying degrees of efficacy).

The point is that all 3 branches are able to do as they damn well please. It is the "Watchdog" type of governance though. The problem with it is that it is like a fire alarm. For the fire alarm to go off there has to be a fire.

Over the years Congress has eroded the executive powers away considerably. Bush made no bones about it when he was running for office. Now the real test is to see if Obama will give any of it up.

I would say that I would take bets that Obama will not give up much if any, of the consolidated executive power that Bush took back from Congress.
Not quite. The Congress, as the largest branch of the US government, has more powers than the other two branches. Only Congress has the right to declare war, not the executive or judicial branch. Congress can override the presidential veto, but President cannot override the Congress. Congress can impeach the president, or any high ranking member of his administration and remove him/her from office.

An no, the executive branch of the US government cannot do "whatever they want" under the US constitution. Under the ruse of never ending "War on Terror", Bush has usurped powers that were not his to have, while the Congress silently stood by. This does not make it Constitutional or democratic in any way. Bush's phony Iraq war is in no way comparable to the US Civil War under Lincoln, or US involvement in WWII under Roosevelt and Truman.

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Not quite. The Congress, as the largest branch of the US government, has more powers than the other two branches. Only Congress has the right to declare war, not the executive or judicial branch. Congress can override the presidential veto, but President cannot override the Congress. Congress can impeach the president, or any high ranking member of his administration and remove him/her from office.

An no, the executive branch of the US government cannot do "whatever they want" under the US constitution. Under the ruse of never ending "War on Terror", Bush has usurped powers that were not his to have, while the Congress silently stood by. This does not make it Constitutional or democratic in any way. Bush's phony Iraq war is in no way comparable to the US Civil War under Lincoln, or US involvement in WWII under Roosevelt and Truman.
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