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What if he knows something you don't?
Well let's look at that. Does Obama know something I do not? I would say absolutely. But you have to look at that a little bit deeper than just the cheeky saying.

He is a Senator who supposedly has the intelligence and wherewithal to be President. He knows more about a lot of things than I do probably. But he based his entire campaign on "Change we can believe in."

So now after the campaign he is not changing anything. It is all re-tread Clintonistas. So does he know something we don't now? Did we elect a neophyte as President who miraculously figured it all out after the election was over?

I say no. I say we elected a man who is a politician first, and will say anything to get elected, who has the benefit of being black.

Who's John Galt.

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Well let's look at that. Does Obama know something I do not? I would say absolutely. But you have to look at that a little bit deeper than just the cheeky saying.

He is a Senator who supposedly has the intelligence and wherewithal to be President. He knows more about a lot of things than I do probably. But he based his entire campaign on "Change we can believe in."

So now after the campaign he is not changing anything. It is all re-tread Clintonistas. So does he know something we don't now? Did we elect a neophyte as President who miraculously figured it all out after the election was over?

I say no. I say we elected a man who is a politician first, and will say anything to get elected, who has the benefit of being black.
That is a somewhat simplistic view.

Simple question. If YOU became the Democratic president today, who would you hire for the top level positions? Folks who had experience in government and getting things done or folks who had no experience in government and had to have ramp up time?

I would assume that you, like me would choose a combination. Get the critical jobs that require an inside track with folks with experience with the system and also get the best and brightest from all fields.

Now, since we have had Republicans in office for the last eight years, the primary pool of top level experienced execs are from the previous administration. THAT is a simple fact of life.

Now if ALL the appointments were from that administration, I would be concerned but they are not. There is a very mixed group of folks, some from inside, some from outside.

The change that was promised had to do with the direction of the country and the philosophy of leadership and the way we as a country do business in the world. Somehow I don't think personnel is the focus issue. As an example, if you got a new CO that had a completely different philosophy you would, as expected follow that lead and do your job to the absolutely best of your abilities to the requirements of that leader.

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That is a somewhat simplistic view.

Simple question. If YOU became the Democratic president today, who would you hire for the top level positions? Folks who had experience in government and getting things done or folks who had no experience in government and had to have ramp up time?

I would assume that you, like me would choose a combination. Get the critical jobs that require an inside track with folks with experience with the system and also get the best and brightest from all fields.

Now, since we have had Republicans in office for the last eight years, the primary pool of top level experienced execs are from the previous administration. THAT is a simple fact of life.

Now if ALL the appointments were from that administration, I would be concerned but they are not. There is a very mixed group of folks, some from inside, some from outside.

The change that was promised had to do with the direction of the country and the philosophy of leadership and the way we as a country do business in the world. Somehow I don't think personnel is the focus issue. As an example, if you got a new CO that had a completely different philosophy you would, as expected follow that lead and do your job to the absolutely best of your abilities to the requirements of that leader.
If I was the Democratic President elect I would have figured it out a long time before today and if the face of my cabinet was going to be that of Clinton's I sure as hell would not have lied to the American Public and said that I was all about the change thing.

Why would he want to start off on the wrong foot? So he is either Stupid or a Liar. You all keep talking about how smart he is (I remind you not to confuse education with intelligence) so he must be a liar.

To your point about the new CO, if I got a new CO who was put in place to change things I would assume that he would put different people into the positions that are key that are tainted by scandals or questions of poor judgement.

Obama is doing nothing new, not changing a damn thing, and all you can do is apologize for him.

I say again, where is the change that will come when you use the same people from the same administrations who have done nothing but screw up the system?

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Who's John Galt.

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If I was the Democratic President elect I would have figured it out a long time before today and if the face of my cabinet was going to be that of Clinton's I sure as hell would not have lied to the American Public and said that I was all about the change thing.

Why would he want to start off on the wrong foot? So he is either Stupid or a Liar. You all keep talking about how smart he is (I remind you not to confuse education with intelligence) so he must be a liar.

To your point about the new CO, if I got a new CO who was put in place to change things I would assume that he would put different people into the positions that are key that are tainted by scandals or questions of poor judgement.

Obama is doing nothing new, not changing a damn thing, and all you can do is apologize for him.

I say again, where is the change that will come when you use the same people from the same administrations who have done nothing but screw up the system?

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Only the Shrinking28 consider it "starting on the wrong foot".

You didn't answer the CO question, did you? The question was WHAT WOULD YOU DO, NOT WHAT WOULD HE DO. I would think that would clear up most of your worries.

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Only the Shrinking28 consider it "starting on the wrong foot".

You didn't answer the CO question, did you? The question was WHAT WOULD YOU DO, NOT WHAT WOULD HE DO. I would think that would clear up most of your worries.
The whole point of his campaign was to illustrate his idea of the mistakes of the past and tell us what he was going to do that was different. The problem was all we got was "Bush made this mistake X and I am going to be Different."

The point of what I would do is not germane to the of the post. That point being being Obama is appointing those people in the Clinton Administration who were responsible for formin Clinton Policy. How are we to view this as anything other than Clinton Administration III.

It is like a bad movie. All it is missing is Arnold Schwarzenegger yelling "GET DOWWWN!" with explosions going off around Wall Street.

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so I suppose you will be bailing out of the US because it has just become too liberal a place to live, won't you 'In the butt, Bob'?

Thank fucking christ you won't be darkening the doorsteps of this country, we would be far to socialist for you...

do let us know where you will relocate to so we can avoid it.

I imagine you are enjoying the autocratic nature of Stinkapore, it would suit your need to be ordered about.

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so I suppose you will be bailing out of the US because it has just become too liberal a place to live, won't you 'In the butt, Bob'?

Thank fucking christ you won't be darkening the doorsteps of this country, we would be far to socialist for you...

do let us know where you will relocate to so we can avoid it.

I imagine you are enjoying the autocratic nature of Stinkapore, it would suit your need to be ordered about.
Wow.

Well your enlightened approach at a discussion is just wonderfully entertaining.

But further to your point I will not be bailing out of the US as we are truly the greatest country that has ever existed. Just ask me and I will regale you with all the wonderful contributions we have made to the world to make your life more convenient, safe, and healthful.

But then again I do appreciate the great Australian contributions to the world like Ugg Boots, Nicole Kidman, and Cute cuddly Koalas. You can keep your vegemite though.

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Well let's look at that. Does Obama know something I do not? I would say absolutely. But you have to look at that a little bit deeper than just the cheeky saying.

He is a Senator who supposedly has the intelligence and wherewithal to be President. He knows more about a lot of things than I do probably. But he based his entire campaign on "Change we can believe in."

So now after the campaign he is not changing anything. It is all re-tread Clintonistas. So does he know something we don't now? Did we elect a neophyte as President who miraculously figured it all out after the election was over?

I say no. I say we elected a man who is a politician first, and will say anything to get elected, who has the benefit of being black.
There you go with the "retread Clintonista" shit. Is the only way you get any actual ideas by parroting the talk show hosts? You can't be so stupid as to not realize that it is Obama, not them, who will set the course? I mean, think it through man, don't just make yourself a bucket to carry someone else's bullshit.

Obama is a truly remarkable individual. He excelled at Harvard, winning top honors and appointed to the editorship of the Harvard Law Review, an honor reserved for the best of the best. He was a full professor of Constitutional Law before he was thirty. He became wealthy by authoring two huge best selling books that dealt with what it means to be an American in our changing world and how we can all change things by being positve and positive acting, motivating millions of poor and disenfranchised people to release the power they had if they simply registered to vote, ending the far right wing stranglehold on this nation. His meteroic rise in politics was astounding, coming from nowhere to defeat the biggest, most organized Democratic political organization and then going on to defeat the Republican Media Megaphone Machine, and not in some squeaker, he kicked both their asses.

I am sure that for a Bush supporter that the idea of an extremely intelligent president backed by a party that doesn't act like a bunch of trained seals is a foreign and scary idea, but believe me, it actually leads to something knew: instead of being people being ruled , we will now be represented. Obama didn't say "anything" to get elected, he said the things that the majority of the people want to see happen in this country: regulation of the Dictatorship of Cash, an end to their fucking rotten illegal war, and some social democracy in this country in the form of national health care and rights for gays and women. The people, who by any poll, you can check, want these things, are about to actually get represented by their government, and tough shit to those who don't like it.

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Bush earned a degree from Yale and Harvard. Served in the armed forces.
a successful Business man that once owned a major league baseball team, ran an oil company but yes by those standards he must be a dumbass.

While Barry wrote fictional garbage about liberal idealisms.
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Bush bought a degree from Yale and Harvard. Smoke pot in the armed forces. a FAILED Business man that once sucked off a major league baseball team, ran a country into the grown but yes by those standards he must be a dumbass.

While Barry wrote fictional garbage about liberal idealisms.
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