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post #31 of 41 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 07:11 AM
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I guess dear ol' Obama isn't all that either then, it must be the guy writing his speeches as well.
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It is a magnificent speech, but all he did was deliver it. If you are going to get all teary, best to tell the guy who wrote it how much it touched you.
Yeah, tell the puppeteer how well stroked we've all been feeling for the last 8 years!

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A whole lot less than were killed in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki where we intentionally targeted civilians.
Ah grasshopper, take BOTH of Bushie's quotes together for the reason I posted it.

Let's start again.

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Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere.
So how many Iraqi civilians were killed during Shock and Awe starting March 20, 2003?


The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to END a war, not start one. And the death tolls from those two [approx 100K] don't add up to the Shock and Awe of the first month of bombing of Iraq [220K].

Of course more died afterward in Hiroshima and Nagasaki from radiation and injuries but again more died from injuries and starvation in Iraq afterward also. Neither were high marks of civilization. One, however does not excuse the other.


The SUBJECT OF THE POST was the complete conflict of Bushie between his two opposing views, just one minute apart. First to push "freedom" to the world and second that "Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere". See where you managed to get distracted.

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Yeah, tell the puppeteer how well stroked we've all been feeling for the last 8 years!
I and everybody I know, have done exceedingly well the last 8 years, buy then we're mighty conservative with our monies and don't buy unless we can afford that which we want!

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I and everybody I know, have done exceedingly well the last 8 years, buy then we're mighty conservative with our monies and don't buy unless we can afford that which we want!

I don't need no $300,000 house that is only worth $150,000 or a new foreign car just to keep an appearance!
Buying what you can afford is the best philosophy. It would have kept many folks, companies and the country out of trouble this past bit.

If everyone you know has done exceedingly well this past eight years you must run in a very tight circle of friends. Most of us know folks who have done very very well and folks who have crashed with devastating results.

And most folks don't buy for appearances, I think they buy for personal satisfaction. I think the "keeping up with the Jones'" peer pressure is highly overrated as a reason to buy.

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I don't need no $300,000 house that is only worth $150,000 or a new foreign car just to keep an appearance!
So I take it you all are high level executives in the insurance/banking industry?
Because I think that's the only folks that have come out of this shit ahead of the game (at the taxpayers expense). Everyone I know has lost money (as far as retirement, etc) And I consider myself extremely conservative with my money. I have a 95 silverado that I drive to work in the winter, a 95 yamaha that I ride to work in the summer, and an 81 380SL that I am working on for a project. I have a $150k house that is worth $150k.
I and many others like me are part of a disappearing middle class that have about had enough of getting beat down constantly. And you know what happens to people that are constantly spouting the "let them eat cake" rhetoric...

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So I take it you all are high level executives in the insurance/banking industry?
Because I think that's the only folks that have come out of this shit ahead of the game (at the taxpayers expense). Everyone I know has lost money (as far as retirement, etc) And I consider myself extremely conservative with my money. I have a 95 silverado that I drive to work in the winter, a 95 yamaha that I ride to work in the summer, and an 81 380SL that I am working on for a project. I have a $150k house that is worth $150k.
I and many others like me are part of a disappearing middle class that have about had enough of getting beat down constantly. And you know what happens to people that are constantly spouting the "let them eat cake" rhetoric...
I think that MOST of the BWOT crowd is firmly entrenched in the middle class. We have some that tickle the top of it and some that tickle the bottom of it. But overall, we are a pretty successful, stable group. OK, maybe not so stable.

I have a friend who is 64. FORMERLY retired. She just started back to work this last week. The last year took just a bit too much of her retirement fund for her comfort. That story is repeating alot. And considering there are just not that many jobs, it is going to cause an odd conflict.

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I think that MOST of the BWOT crowd is firmly entrenched in the middle class. We have some that tickle the top of it and some that tickle the bottom of it. But overall, we are a pretty successful, stable group. OK, maybe not so stable.

I have a friend who is 64. FORMERLY retired. She just started back to work this last week. The last year took just a bit too much of her retirement fund for her comfort. That story is repeating alot. And considering there are just not that many jobs, it is going to cause an odd conflict.
I know - that is why posts like mp's get me fired up. My frigging financial advisor saying "oh, stay the course"(she actually said that , too) and "think of buying good stocks at really low prices" while my 401 loses over a THIRD of it's value!!
I'm tickling the bottom of the middle class now. If either my wife or myself lost our jobs, it would be a very difficult proposition. And as far as retirement I was hoping to have enough in about 6 years to do that. Not now. At the rate things are going now, I will be just like your friend.

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You mean ...on the bottom, don't you?

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