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My tax revenue is not exempt from our government handing every Israeli man, woman, and child something close to the tune of $21 per annum. Nor was it exempt from funding mass-murder in Iraq.

Now can you answer the question or just focus on insignificant tangents ala Botnst when he's backed in a corner?
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So if my 1040es 4Q is more then your's, I get more say in how it should be spent?

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how about...invaluable intelligence information: Specific example please (including specific benefits to me and mine)
technological/economic gains: Specific example please (including specific benefits to me and mine)
democratic presence in the Middle East: Who cares? This benefits me how?
peace through superior firepower for a few starters: Peace where? Here? Sorry, but this one is just a head-scratcher.

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U r obfuscating the issue, Multi.
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So if my 1040es 4Q is more then your's, I get more say in how it should be spent?
If you can't answer a simple question, don't try. The tangent game was always an embarrassing ruse, no need to carry that mantle.

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If you can't answer a simple question, don't try. The tangent game was always an embarrassing ruse, no need to carry that mantle.
It's not I who doesn't like the answers

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how about...invaluable intelligence information: Specific example please (including specific benefits to me and mine)
technological/economic gains: Specific example please (including specific benefits to me and mine)
democratic presence in the Middle East: Who cares? This benefits me how?
peace through superior firepower for a few starters: Peace where? Here? Sorry, but this one is just a head-scratcher.


Since Arabic is one of Israel's official languages, Israeli agents are on the ball with electronic, on-the-ground, and print intelligence. They've got agents all over the Arab world. And since 9/11, U.S. intelligence agents and special operations soldiers have begun to pay special attention to the Israeli playbook, because Israel knows better than anyone how to fight fourth generation warfare. We've participated in joint exercises with Israel in spheres of warfare that are somewhat alien to us, since we haven't had to deal with vicious criminals trying to blow up our kids every day. To be frank, we are pretty damn fortunate to have Israel's expertise to help guide us in these matters. Now more than ever, America needs this sort of tutelage and intelligence support.

As for technological and economic gains This attitude has helped to propel Israel to world leadership in the fields of medicine, scientific research (many disciplines), agriculture, telecommunications, high-tech electronics & software (the country's leading industrial sector), and more recently, the biotechnology industry. United States is deeply involved in many of these enterprises and derives enormous benefits from Israel's unrivaled supremacy in many of these fields. And of course, many American businesses will be given preferential treatment in securing joint venture contracts for Israeli projects. Many Americans have no idea how many Israeli contributions are part of our life. The drug Copaxone, which gives hope to those suffering from Multiple Sclerosis, was developed by Israelis at the Weizmann Institute. ICQ instant messaging was invented by four young Israelis in their twenties, and bought by AOL. Israel's drip irrigation systems save between 40-50% of water usage, while giving a 300% return in crop increase. Israel's innovation and supreme industrial feats confer massive benefits to their economy and to America's.

As for a Democratic presence how can you really question that? It's benefits are obvious...

If we didn't have military manpower and weapons that we do know with the help of Isreal, we would be having a lot more problems than we do know...The cooperative military ventures between Israel and the United States are nothing short of spectacular. The strategic value derived from these joint projects is hard to measure, and the lives they save makes them priceless. The Arrow missile, as was shown recently, promises to be an indispensable replacement for the useful, yet not quite useful enough, Patriot missile system. From the Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) and satellite technology, to Israel's state of the art Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAVs) and down to more mundane military matters, the U.S. takes advantage of Israel's technological prowess and pioneering spirit. In today's world, military supremacy is of paramount importance for free nations, and the U.S. and Israel are a step ahead of everyone else. This is all the more important to the U.S. when we now have the same monsters hammering on our door as Israel's.
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Post #75 didn't cut it for ya?
These are simple expected benefits that most allies provide for each other. Our relationship with Israel isn't symbiotic as much as parasitic. The benefits seem about 95/5 in their direction, don't they? Where is the ROI?

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what are you guys arguing about? we all know the Indians should have never tried to fight back against the guys who simply "discovered" them!

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Since Arabic is one of Israel's official languages, Israeli agents are on the ball with electronic, on-the-ground, and print intelligence. They've got agents all over the Arab world. And since 9/11, U.S. intelligence agents and special operations soldiers have begun to pay special attention to the Israeli playbook, because Israel knows better than anyone how to fight fourth generation warfare. We've participated in joint exercises with Israel in spheres of warfare that are somewhat alien to us, since we haven't had to deal with vicious criminals trying to blow up our kids every day. To be frank, we are pretty damn fortunate to have Israel's expertise to help guide us in these matters. Now more than ever, America needs this sort of tutelage and intelligence support.

As for technological and economic gains This attitude has helped to propel Israel to world leadership in the fields of medicine, scientific research (many disciplines), agriculture, telecommunications, high-tech electronics & software (the country's leading industrial sector), and more recently, the biotechnology industry. United States is deeply involved in many of these enterprises and derives enormous benefits from Israel's unrivaled supremacy in many of these fields. And of course, many American businesses will be given preferential treatment in securing joint venture contracts for Israeli projects. Many Americans have no idea how many Israeli contributions are part of our life. The drug Copaxone, which gives hope to those suffering from Multiple Sclerosis, was developed by Israelis at the Weizmann Institute. ICQ instant messaging was invented by four young Israelis in their twenties, and bought by AOL. Israel's drip irrigation systems save between 40-50% of water usage, while giving a 300% return in crop increase. Israel's innovation and supreme industrial feats confer massive benefits to their economy and to America's.

As for a Democratic presence how can you really question that? It's benefits are obvious...

If we didn't have military manpower and weapons that we do know with the help of Isreal, we would be having a lot more problems than we do know...The cooperative military ventures between Israel and the United States are nothing short of spectacular. The strategic value derived from these joint projects is hard to measure, and the lives they save makes them priceless. The Arrow missile, as was shown recently, promises to be an indispensable replacement for the useful, yet not quite useful enough, Patriot missile system. From the Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) and satellite technology, to Israel's state of the art Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAVs) and down to more mundane military matters, the U.S. takes advantage of Israel's technological prowess and pioneering spirit. In today's world, military supremacy is of paramount importance for free nations, and the U.S. and Israel are a step ahead of everyone else. This is all the more important to the U.S. when we now have the same monsters hammering on our door as Israel's.
I can only assume that if Israel's Arabic intel is so prolific, then their "product" was used in large part to build the case for massive stockpiles of non-existent WMD in Iraq. The same country that's been caught spying on us how many times? Fuckin' parasite backstabbers

Their "democracy" is nothing more than a theocratic apartheid sham. Not worthy of note or support.

Their military hardware suppliers are nothing more than profit-whores who promulgate the military industrial complex that's so consumed this once great nation. Again, fuckin' parasite backstabbers
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I can only assume that if Israel's Arabic intel is so prolific, then their "product" was used in large part to build the case for massive stockpiles of non-existent WMD in Iraq. The same country that's been caught spying on us how many times? Fuckin' parasite backstabbers

Their "democracy" is nothing more than a theocratic apartheid sham. Not worthy of note or support.

Their military hardware suppliers are nothing more than profit-whores who promulgate the military industrial complex that's so consumed this once great nation. Again, fuckin' parasite backstabbers

Thank you for the non opinionated in depth reply
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