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Oh puhleeze, Bush was...uh, well (s)elected, and then went on to perpetrate mass attrocities on his watch. Do you suggest we the Merkin public were similarly culpable and should face material retribution?
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Oh puhleeze, Bush was...uh, well (s)elected, and then went on to perpetrate mass attrocities on his watch. Do you suggest we the Merkin public were similarly culpable and should face material retribution?
Erm, yes the "Merkin public were similarly culpable". Should we all pretend the '04 election never occurred?

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Oh puhleeze, Bush was...uh, well (s)elected, and then went on to perpetrate mass attrocities on his watch. Do you suggest we the Merkin public were similarly culpable and should face material retribution?
Well, around 72% of y'all (I exclude myself at first) were very publicly pissed at the man, and as it turns out, you were right to be. One big difference, you may recall, we were attacked first. That's how you keep the moral high-ground; you don't start shit. Someone etch that in arabic on a giant stone tablet and air-drop it over Gaza, and we may get somewhere (assuming they read arabic - I have no idea).

And as a follow-up, yes, my theorem holds just as true for us as it does for them. Bush was the person this nation selected to carry out their will. Sometimes leaders go bat-shit crazy; that's when the people need to try to reign them back in or set up some flares warning others. We kinda did that at least, as a people. Haven't seen it from Palestine yet.
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Your first sentence is contradictory (I actually said "Bullshit" aloud when I read it). The Palestinians "freely elected" Hamas into power. Are they now considering their vote a mistake and we're just not hearing it? I'll let someone else answer that, but failing this as being the case, Hamas is the "executive" branch of the people's will, and it appears, the will of the Palestinians is to bomb the shit out of Israel. One problem - they're terribly ill equipped to do so with any efficacy. Oops.

Let's hear some stories about how upset Palestinians are with their ruling party, and how they think it was a grave mistake to start firing rockets into Israel - then we can talk about what bastards the Israelis are.
Hamas was elected but there are a lot of Palestinians that are NOT pro Hamas simply because THEY ARE NOT Muslim extremists. Hamas was an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood (which originated as a political movement in Egypt) but many Palestinians are actually very secular and most likely to fall inline with Fatah. Here is the problem:
Israel and the USA marginalized Fatah! What do you think the Palestinians will have done since the USA would not talk to Fatah and there were no other parties other than Hamas out there? Let me put simply: They were set up to fail. Do you know why? Use that same line of thought you had about the Palestinians wanting to "bomb the shit out of Israel". See what you come up with
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That's how you keep the moral high-ground; you don't start shit. Someone etch that in arabic on a giant stone tablet and air-drop it over Gaza, and we may get somewhere (assuming they read arabic - I have no idea).

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That's the level and kind of discussion we need Not the poisonous, hatred laden shit from milfy and Multi.
Most of us (the sane ones) are in agreement that Hamas even though elected is not helping the Palestinian cause and that Israel's policies towards the Arab population is basically in par if not filthier than apartheid. The concern is about WHERE DO WE STAND as a nation that claims to be a broker in this mess? We are far from being fair since we clearly side the Israelis as if they can do no wrong. All you have to do is simply read the comments from our forum local village idiots as they already have passed judgment on who's anti Semitic for simply opposing said policies. They personify the state of mind organizations such as AIPAC wants OUR people to adopt regardless if it makes us look dumb. How long can we carry this arrogance around?
That's the most misleading understatement of this thread.
Hamas holds its own population hostage thus TERRORIZING its own people for their "cause" whatever that is.
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That's the most misleading understatement of this thread.
Hamas holds its own population hostage thus TERRORIZING its own people for their "cause" whatever that is.
You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. There are Palestinians, right or wrong, by free will, that are ready to die for Hamas. Hamas is not simply a party or a group of people; it will be too complicated for your simpleton brain to comprehend unless I pain it it in black and white for you but I don't have that skill.
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Any organization that calls for a worldwide attack on others based on religious affiliation deserves what it gets. Hope Israel finishes the job this time before the misguided do-gooders shut them down.

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