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Beholden isn't the right word buy why wouldn't it be a stretch for Obama to have an allegiance to Israel? Is it because he has a name like Hussein?
Why do you think there is NO RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT ?

I think Obama can be counted upon to question Israel about what we are getting for the $$$ we spent.
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Why do you think there is NO RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT ?

I think Obama can be counted upon to question Israel about what we are getting for the $$$ we spent.
there is no questioning when one is in denial. You yourself can't get over it. You have to admit that the Israeli propaganda has worked on us and we are now talking about a foreign country as if it's a state within our nation and any observations like the ones I bring up can be considered treasonous. I mean look, how much can I endure being subjected to accusations of being an anti Semite because of my views? When was freedom of speech BACKED by facts a bad thing? Well only in this country, the land of the free that shit like this happens, what does that tell you? Do you think Obama or a any politician will subject themselves to the truth? HELL NO

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Good questions , complex ones to which I can only speculate on the answers. Our differences boil down to this, it would seem : trust in our government's current decision or how it arrived at its current Israeli policy. You and Drew suspect undue influence on Israel's part to the detriment of our country. I claim that your surmise is wrong given that our leaders do what it best for THIS country FIRST.
The basis of our nation is that the decisions relating to policy are to be debated in a public forum, voted on and adopted or rejected based on the merits of the debate. There has been no debate on this subject. It would be healthy to have a real debate, like it would have been healthy to have a genuine debate on the subject of invading Iraq before we did it.

So, based on the track record, I am not willing to assume the elected officials can create competent policy without the intended process of the Constitution. This is as true for domestic policy, such as the bail-out, as it is for foreign policy. It is about as un-American as possible to promote policy making outside the procedure dictated by our Constitution. Without visibility, it is very difficult to establish whether or not the best interests of the United States actually were at the forefront of a policy created without debate and "transparency."

Drew makes a case for Israeli influence behind the lack of openness on the subject of our US-Israeli policy. I am not as clear on the subject - I heard a pretty good case for why the religious right wants Israel around on Bill Maher's show - no Israel, no home for the Jews, no place for Jesus to return to do away with the Jews per some chapter of the Bible. Makes as much sense to me as AIPAC.

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Jim,

Let's be clear on one thing.

I fucking hate Drew's avatar.

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Let's be clear on one thing.

I fucking hate Drew's avatar.

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No, I just hate your stupid avatar.
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Why can't you guys grow up and stick with one avatar like I do?
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We're just not as fey.
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No, I just hate your stupid avatar.
What is it that you don't like about my avatar?
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Why not just pay a bunch of ancient historical scientists to proclaim the real Bethlehem is in Jersey? That'll solve more than one problem.
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