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Not good with the redistribution at all. That is why the tax cuts for a few while pushing the cost to everyone through deficits has been such a problem.

And as for Obama raising taxes. YES he will have no choice. We have a $10Trillion National Debt, at least $1Trillion of Deficit projections per year to bail out the Bush Economic Doctrine mess, a very weak dollar and a big assed recession. We, at last budget HAD $3Trillion in Revenues and $3.5 Trillion in Appropriations. With the recession, the Revenues number is going to go down and the Appropriations number is going to go up. To extricate ourselves from the mess he has been given, he will have no choice.
But he only wants to raise taxes on wealthy. Why should only the top income earners in this country support the government. Is that fair?

What happens if the wealthy take their money and run?

And there were not tax cuts for the few. Everyone who paid taxes got a tax cut. That is what saved our economy after 9/11.

Furthermore, can you place a time in our nations history were tax increases actually stimulated the economy? Hoover did it and spawned a depression. FDR continued it a made it a great depression.
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So you are good with income redistribution? Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Obama is already backing off of promises. One of them is his tax the rich meme.

I'm betting he will quietly allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, therefore, raising taxes.
So, you are in favor of continuing to finance tax cuts for the wealthy with borrowed money? How is that morally right - giving free money to the rich that has to be paid back later by the general public? The real truth is income distribution, from the American middle class to the very wealthy, has been going on since those tax cuts were passed - they are essentially phony, because the cost of government was never decreased. What we really have is cash financed by general obligation debt being distributed to those who gain the most from our economic and governmental systems, and now expect to pay the least in taxes while the rest of us are supposed to pay the debts. I don't know any middle income people who think they got a "tax cut" during the Bush years, what they got was screwed. Letting those crooked tax cuts expire is the only right thing to do, they have never been anything more than a scam. Myself, I think it's about time they started to pay while tax cuts go to the middle class. What a concept.

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Some of the poorest counties in the country, the ones with the highest rates of unemployment, WIC, foodstamps and SSI payments continued to vote Republican this past election [as they have in previous ones]. I'm just not sure your logic holds on that one.

As for the 51%/95% issue, it is a somewhat misleading analysis.
With the electorate almost evenly split, I think my logic holds up very well.
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But he only wants to raise taxes on wealthy. Why should only the top income earners in this country support the government. Is that fair?

What happens if the wealthy take their money and run?

And there were not tax cuts for the few. Everyone who paid taxes got a tax cut. That is what saved our economy after 9/11.

Furthermore, can you place a time in our nations history were tax increases actually stimulated the economy? Hoover did it and spawned a depression. FDR continued it a made it a great depression.
What's so unfair about it? Those who gain the most from our system should be charged more for the privilege. And if they don't want to, they are free to move elsewhere. Enjoy the taxes in France, pal, I don't know where you expect them to run too. Bangladesh? Russia? Those of us left behind will be glad to take their place in the income stream they were enjoying.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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So, you are in favor of continuing to finance tax cuts for the wealthy with borrowed money? How is that morally right - giving free money to the rich that has to be paid back later by the general public? The real truth is income distribution, from the American middle class to the very wealthy, has been going on since those tax cuts were passed - they are essentially phony, because the cost of government was never decreased. What we really have is cash in the form of general obligation debt being distributed to those who gain the most from our economic and governmental systems, and now expect to pay the least. I don't know any middle income people who think they got a "tax cut" during the Bush years, what they got was screwed. Letting those crooked tax cuts expire is the only right thing to do, they have never been anything more than a scam. Myself, I think it's about time they started to pay while tax cuts go to the middle class. What a concept.
Tax cuts for the wealthy, huh? Sorry, that is just not true. Everyone who paid income taxes got a tax cut. Those who paid more, got more. Those who paid less, got less. Middle income earners did not get screwed. They got a tax cut as well. Sheesh, what is with this wealth envy?

And letting "those crooked tax cuts" expire is raising taxes on just about everybody. Not a good idea right now. Hell, even Obama has said such.

Personally, I believe income taxes should be eliminated. We should implement a flat, or consumer, tax. This progressive tax system we have now is to ripe for abuse and gives way too much power to politicians.
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What's so unfair about it? Those who gain the most from our system should be charged more for the privilege. And if they don't want to, they are free to move elsewhere. Enjoy the taxes in France, pal, I don't know where you expect them to run too. Bangladesh? Russia? Those of us left behind will be glad to take their place in the income stream they were enjoying.
So you think if only they move out of the "income stream" you could get your shot, huh?

Sorry, but it just does not work like that. If the wealthy in this country leave, and take their money with them, we are all screwed. Third world status, here we come.
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With the electorate almost evenly split, I think my logic holds up very well.
The split of the electorate is not relevant to the discussion. The point being that many areas where folks who receive an inordinately high amount of government assistance also voted Republican, in many cases in very high numbers, which also negates the "electorate" argument.

That group, even with extensive government aid, lack of jobs due in many cases to policies triggered by Republican Administrations still vote Republican.

So apparently it will take something besides cash to gain their vote.

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The split of the electorate is not relevant to the discussion. The point being that many areas where folks who receive an inordinately high amount of government assistance also voted Republican, in many cases in very high numbers, which also negates the "electorate" argument.

That group, even with extensive government aid, lack of jobs due in many cases to policies triggered by Republican Administrations still vote Republican.

So apparently it will take something besides cash to gain their vote.
Got a link? What "policies triggered by Republican Administrations" triggered unemployment?

Are you saying this is a one sided argument? Did not the Democrats have anything to do with anything? Is this a matter of Democrats good, Republicans bad?
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Education is supposed to be a state issue, not a federal one. Blaming President Bush, or any President for that matter, is disingenuous.
The education of our children is a parental issue. The failure lies at their feet.
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So you think if only they move out of the "income stream" you could get your shot, huh?

Sorry, but it just does not work like that. If the wealthy in this country leave, and take their money with them, we are all screwed. Third world status, here we come.
The wealthy in this country are loyal only to their money and would have left and taken their money with them long ago if there was someplace better to take it to and live. But there isn't. Our system is enabled and supported and subsidized by the government. The rich are its greatest benefactors. Even that welfare you detest ends up in the pockets of the rich guys who sell them the crap they spend the money on, and drugs.

Grow up, grasshopper. There are precious few Americans rich enough to actually be Republicans. The bulk of those who subscribe are wannabees and for some reason they think by hanging around as GOP groupies deepthroating the Grand Old Party elders regular people with think they are rich too. In reality we just think they are cocksuckers. Good ones maybe, but cocksuckers.

So, don't worry your little head about rich people taking their money and leaving too soon. Too many suckers to abuse here and no where else to go. Jim
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