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I haven't had to push my car to a gas station this time like I had to back then.
Some of of learned to plan ahead early in life.

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Some of of learned to plan ahead early in life.
I see. I'll make a note of that.

I knew a man who went out and bought an additional car just to have the extra tank. I didn't have that kind of money back then. When you had to buy gas on the Odd/Even day plan and the stations were out on your day, you just had to drive and hope for the best. I DID shift out of Drive and coast a lot. How's that for planning ahead?

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Bush lied to the American people: there were no WMDs in Iraq nor was Iraq making any effort to secure WMDs. The war was therefore illegal. Powell lied to the World Community and when the UN refused to sanction Bush’s war he pressed ahead anyway. Note Congress shares equal blame.

Saddam posed no threat to his own people nor did he pose a threat to other nations in the region. The sad irony of this is that the No Fly Zone policy was working.* Bush illegally invaded a nation that posed no threat to the United States or its allies. Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and was not responsible for any attack on any American interests or the interests of its allies. There was no justification for the war.




*I give high marks to GHWB who understood the region well enough to realize Saddam must stay in place to keep the Shiites in check – Iran, Hizballah, and the Shiite majority in Iraq. I give Clinton high marks as well for having the good sense to keep the NFZ policy in place during his administration. GHWB’s idiot son succeeded in causing needless death, destruction, and destabilizing the region only to ensure his reelection in 2004.
But it's a just cause if it it was all for Israel.
IRAQ: War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser

and then he wants to model Israel in Iraq
BBC NEWS | Americas | Israel model for Iraq, says Bush

and there were promises of this
An old Israel-Iraq oil line ... reopening? | csmonitor.com

But all and all as long as Israel's Chief Rabbi is happy
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Who cares what the Americans will endure

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Bush lied to the American people: there were no WMDs in Iraq nor was Iraq making any effort to secure WMDs. The war was therefore illegal. Powell lied to the World Community and when the UN refused to sanction Bush’s war he pressed ahead anyway. Note Congress shares equal blame.

Saddam posed no threat to his own people nor did he pose a threat to other nations in the region. The sad irony of this is that the No Fly Zone policy was working.* Bush illegally invaded a nation that posed no threat to the United States or its allies. Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and was not responsible for any attack on any American interests or the interests of its allies. There was no justification for the war.

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The point is that he would have been a hero if he had tracked down OBL and focused on the War against Terrorists instead of his little Iraq folly which only served to increase hate against the US.

And how would a stand down after "Mission Accomplished" be considered "cut and run"? It is what one does after a war.
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At least during those two events, we were still a formidable power who could easily build a coalition at the drop of a hat when we needed to. We did not have a foreign policy that had crippled that ability.

And while our exit from Viet Nam was less than graceful, it was not due to weakness. And the rest of the country, even though we were in an oil crisis at the same time and inflation was in double digits, we still had a strong manufacturing base and were still the strongest economic power on Earth.
Our cut and run from Viet Nam was totally due to weakness!!! Every damn soldier who died there died in vain!

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Our cut and run from Viet Nam was totally due to weakness!!! Every damn soldier who died there died in vain!
Jesus, J. WTF are you blubbering about today?

Time for my "Republicans are Pussies" thread I guess.
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We have plenty of discussion. But when the man has failed so much, so badly, he is going to be torn apart. That is just how life is.

I note that you don't see the same "just want to tear you down" focus against politicians who don't get in over their head, stay there [or stay the course] and critically damage this country. Those folks, both dem and rep get fair treatment by all discussions. It is only the incompetents that get torn apart.
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Osama Bin Laden is still not in jail.

If he is the mastermind of the Sept, 11, 2001 attacks, which were carried out by Saudi Arabian Citizens, then why is he still at large?
He's DEAD!

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