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He means genocide, and unfortunately, that may be the only real solution. One side looses or one side leaves. Since leaving is really out of the question, the other outcome is a possibility. The only other outcome besides peace (good luck) or eternal tit for tat conflict.
So, you're ok with that?
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So, you're ok with that?
Of course not, but it remains a possibility, probably more likely than peace, less likely than permanent conflict. It remains more likely than peace as long as people like CR and the Palestinians that support Hamas keep their collective heads up their asses by justifying their actions because the "score" is higher for Israel. Until they get a clue and stop attacking Israel, it's that or permanent conflict.
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Of course not, but it remains a possibility, probably more likely than peace, less likely than permanent conflict. It remains more likely than peace as long as people like CR and the Palestinians that support Hamas keep their collective heads up their asses by justifying their actions because the "score" is higher for Israel. Until they get a clue and stop attacking Israel, it's that or permanent conflict.
Would you have been as nonchalant as this if the tables were reversed or will you be outraged?
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The conflict itself is outrageous. I find no difference if the tables were reversed. The only reason I would grant Jews any quarter at all is that although I am not particularly religious, my country of origin and appearance alone make me a target for fanatics of Islamic faith (remember I said fanatics). I think we're all pretty safe wherever we are in world, if present company includes all Jews. I can't recall the last Jewish suicide bomber, maybe CR can?
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Absolutely. The core problem, whether Z will admit or not, is simple: recognition of Israel by all the Muslim parties would change the entire equation and give the Muslims the moral high ground. Until they stop choosing murder, the Israelis hold the political and moral high ground whether they deserve it or not.
You need to familiarize yourself with the Saudi Proposal of 2002, among other things. Here's a start:
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Text: Arab peace plan of 2002
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The conflict itself is outrageous. I find no difference if the tables were reversed. The only reason I would grant Jews any quarter at all is that although I am not particularly religious, my country of origin and appearance alone make me a target for fanatics of Islamic faith (remember I said fanatics). I think we're all pretty safe wherever we are in world, if present company includes all Jews. I can't recall the last Jewish suicide bomber, maybe CR can?
Fast55, and why do you think this is? It is because the blood of the Arabs is equally on our hands. We support the most racist and violent country on the planet that has no clue as to the value of human life or human dignity. This I find appalling as this group of people should be the ones to understand it the most because so many of them were murdered and they have historically been kick out of every country they have ever inhabited And if the past is the best prediction of the future, then I see that occurring again. I doubt that in our life time Israel will remain. You can't commit crimes like these and not expect to get some payback either by your fellow man or God, if you believe one exists. WE, the USA arm this country with weapons of mass destruction which they use against children who have only stones to throw back and you wonder why your country of origin makes you and me a target? Come on, I thought I was have a good healthy debate with a fellow educated person.
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And right on cue..........

White House blames Hamas for new Mideast violence - Yahoo! News

Wait....Wait, FTL and Bush agree on something, anybody got the concession on selling overcoats in Hell?
And you'd think that might give him pause. But he's dug in his heels, it's a pride thing here. He'd "lose face" if he admitted the legitimacy of the "other" point of view now. Oh well, so it goes.
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You need to familiarize yourself with the Saudi Proposal of 2002, among other things. Here's a start:
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Text: Arab peace plan of 2002
What more could Israel want? We all know the answer: to exterminate all Palestinians or run them off and occupy the land.
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He means genocide, and unfortunately, that may be the only real solution.
The ultimate result of decades of effective propaganda.
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I believe there can only be one outcome. As the worlds super power, we take all aircraft out of the air space over this hellhole, equally arm both sides with the same types and amounts of weapons, and let them have it out to the end, let any neighboring armies get involved without air support, and sit back and watch. Them when the dust settles, we talk to the winner. Enough of this shit!! lets get it on and get it over!!
Well, actually, that is what we are doing, except for the air support thing.
Jesus. And here I was arguing with you in good faith! You believe we have "equally arm(ed) both sides with the same types and amounts of weapons"?

You appear to be totally detached from reality.
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