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Is Bible the truth?
Bible is a story with some social truths and very few historical ones.
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For the people who strongly believe in God; please describe what and who God is. Convince the heathens among us that God is so powerful that he will guide you in this quest to show us the way by identifying what He is in a way that will inspire awe and confidence in the All Mighty.
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^^^^And learn what a grade school old girl has already learned........

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In the context of the choices described by the Campos piece, it would seem that instead of considering Obama brainwashed in his youth or subject to a psychiatric delusion, you think of him as lying about the existence of God. Correct? Is "pandering" a slightly less evil form of deception? Are you also suggesting that atheists find it easy to lie?
I think many who are brainwashed as children grow up to rationalize the stupidity of their habit. Those whose career will not be affected may consider themselves 'Christian' or 'Muslim' etc., culturally but abandon literal acceptance of the fairy stories. Others, such as [American] politicians accept the necessity of 'statement of belief' and utilize either the vagaries of their particular religion or the human trick of 'suspension of belief' to reach an acceptable compromise. Other more rational, honest and free-thinking individuals (myself included) would not consider a career which required such awkwardness in the first place.

To answer your last sentence directly: No, but I think politicians do.

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Never would I judge their behavior in a bad light.

I jump on those here who are the hypocrites that despise the belief in a religion
yet partake in the ceremony that evolved from it
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Er, like the way Christians despised paganism but hypocritically adopted virtually all their festivals and rituals? I guess they don't teach you that in Sunday school.

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I have suspected for a long time that BHO, similarly to many other American politicians, claim to have 'faith' for purely political ends. They have to pander to the backward people, or not have a hope of getting elected to high office. Sad, but a reality of life for the forseeable future. What ya gonna do? Most atheists would accept this as a necessary absurdity and overlook the hypocrisy if they held the candidate in sufficient esteem.
I actually agree. I think it is a hypocrisy we are forced to overlook, given that most Americans are superstitous morons who think Jesus is coming back.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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This is the attitude that was described so well in the post by bottomline.

Kind of like the old statistic that one in four people suffers from some form of mental illness. Look at your friends and if you don't see it, then look in the mirror.

I think it is always so interesting that a lot of folks on this forum want to criticise, villify, and otherwise tear down religion, Christianity in particular.

It has been my observation that the vast majority of atheists and non-believers in (name your religion) are that way because they are amoral.

It takes a sense of responsibility and a willingness to be held accountable to be a believer (insert your religion here). Is that saying that there are non-believers who are not moral? No there are but I have never known one.

Is this judgemental? Yes absolutely. Is it wrong to judge someone? No. In my religion (Christianity) it is wrong to condemn a person for their sins. That is for God alone.

You must judge people every day in every way that you interact with them. We are told very plainly many times over to not sin and if we do we are to confess, and repent but we are to love the sinner and hate the sin.

I agree there are Christian, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Pagans, Universalists, etc. that are hypocrites. That is human nature.

I choose to believe because the overwhelming majority of the evidence supports the belief that there is a higher being who has designed all of this.

Now bring on the vitriol and begin the pillory.
An odd post from someone who supports indescriminate mass murder in Iraq. Take your "amoral" and shove it up your own ass where it belongs, you fucking hypocrite.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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