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Specific plans are different than "will have a potential threat sometime in the future..."
True, but the difference is only in the timing, not in the seriousness. I would think that you Bush-haters would have the discretion to grant him your trust to act in such a way that he puts the needs of the country first over his "legacy" in such a situation. You have never convinced anyone that Republicans want to drink polluted water and you won't convince anyone that we want our children to glow in the dark from radioactivity, either. Obama is on record--nothing will change with Iran. Are you saying that he is just working on his own legacy from Day 1?

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Someone needs to put gw in a padded room, before we all get killed. I AM SERIOUS. damnit are some people just stupid?

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I think that whoever wrote that [The Earl of Stirling???] likes doomsday prophesy.

The article starts off illogically and the rest is part of everyone's standard "oh shit" list of worst case scenario.

The premise starts: "Sometime in the weeks to months ahead, there will be a war launched against Iran. The war may be started by Israel, or by the United States, or by a NATO/EU/US embargo, or by some 'false flag' attack. What matters is that it will begin; and where it will take the world."

WHY?

The most critical part of the issue, the very fuel that would propagate every cascading response is missing.
If you noticed, it was a quote / link, not something I wrote or / and supported.

We do need to understand clearly what might happen.

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As for what Israel's response to a suitcase bomb would be, it would really depend on several factors. What was our response to 9/11? It was a measured, logical response toward Afghanistan, ONCE we had information that AQ and Taliban were involved. [now the illogical leap into Iraq just lacks all sensible explanation.]
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It will be a really hard question to answer for Israelis, since no one but Iran is capable of bringing in such a bomb.

Israel will have a measured, logical response toward Iran.

My God, I can not even imagine.
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Israel has over 100 of our high-dollar nuclear warheads, tons of our best military hardware, and a survival instinct unlike any other. We've done enough - helped a people to arm and protect themselves. Perhaps too much, but what's done is done.

Again, I wonder how Israel would act if it was CERTAIN that it COULD NOT rely on the USA to bail it's ass out of any problem they get themselves into.
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Israel has over 100 of our high-dollar nuclear warheads, tons of our best military hardware, and a survival instinct unlike any other. We've done enough - helped a people to arm and protect themselves. Perhaps too much, but what's done is done.

Again, I wonder how Israel would act if it was CERTAIN that it COULD NOT rely on the USA to bail it's ass out of any problem they get themselves into.
We should and WILL.
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True, but the difference is only in the timing, not in the seriousness. I would think that you Bush-haters would have the discretion to grant him your trust to act in such a way that he puts the needs of the country first over his "legacy" in such a situation. You have never convinced anyone that Republicans want to drink polluted water and you won't convince anyone that we want our children to glow in the dark from radioactivity, either. Obama is on record--nothing will change with Iran. Are you saying that he is just working on his own legacy from Day 1?
Nobody in their right mind would give Bush TRUST after his actions that led up to IRAQ. That would just be plain dumb. I don't for a moment think that he has the critical thinking skills to make the required steps to understand "country first". The ONLY evidence that he has put country before his own interests was in the months after 9/11 and his INITIAL actions regarding Afghanistan.

Regarding Obama, he did not say "Nothing will change." with Iran. He did say that Iran could not allowed to become a nuclear threat. Methodologies are the differentiating factors. Bush tended to be a "shoot first and then figure out what questions to ask" guy. We will no longer suffer that problem.

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We should and WILL.
That is a big unknown.

President-elect may try different policies.

I'd rather not leave them on their own. It might end the world as we know it.
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If you noticed, it was a quote / link, not something I wrote or / and supported.

We do need to understand clearly what might happen.
I understood that. I was commenting on the logic of the article only and the doomsday prophesy message that it tried to convey. We have, as a country been hearing that since 1955.



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It will be a really hard question to answer for Israelis, since no one but Iran is capable of bringing in such a bomb.

Israel will have a measured, logical response toward Iran.

My God, I can not even imagine.
There are others capable of bringing in a bomb, and others that even might have cause/desire [AQ as an example to remotely, yet directly affect the US]. There are also factions within Israel itself who might be more interested in a war than keeping the motherland completely safe. It is much easier to smuggle IN from the INside.

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I understood that. I was commenting on the logic of the article only and the doomsday prophesy message that it tried to convey. We have, as a country been hearing that since 1955.



There are others capable of bringing in a bomb, and others that even might have cause/desire [AQ as an example to remotely, yet directly affect the US]. There are also factions within Israel itself who might be more interested in a war than keeping the motherland completely safe. It is much easier to smuggle IN from the INside.
Yeah, right.

And CIA organized 9/11 too, LOL.

Bear, don't insult my intelligence.

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