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In the end, something has to change! What the stores do, is mark something down to get you in the store, then it creates this madness. Also, the stores only have a limit on most items that are marked down. Go get your paper, look at the small print! It tells you how many will in each store.. And that right there is the problem. They do a huge mark down but they only have 25 per store.. Guess what happens now! A man gets killed.. Until these stores change, this will happen again! They need to set a time and have each item available for everyone between the times. If they run out then give a raincheck.. It will keep stores from running huge savings, but when a man dies because of it, ask yourself if its really worth it? But, I expect Walmart will have a big lawsuit on their hands. And they should. The bottom line the store will be held liable for others actions, they have to protect their employees and customers. I see this will settle out of court for big $$$. But on a side note. Now we can offically declare the meaning of Christmas is gone! When a man[Ed: and a pregnant woman] gets ran over to his death for a stupid TV all hope for mankind is lost.
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A company selects certain items to sell at amazingly low prices to entice shoppers into their store on Black Friday because once in the building, it is likely that most of those shoppers will purchase additional items. There are always the bargain hunters who come in specifically for that single item but they are the exception. Most stay and shop.

There is not an unlimited supply of these items. There are only a certain number that can be/actually are physically manufactured. If there is a limit posted in the ad, that means that there is a finite number available which must be divided between the total number of stores to meet the minimum quantity available. Consider Wal Mart.

# United States: 4,227 total units

* Wal-Mart discount stores (914)
* Supercenters (2,576)
* Sam's Clubs (594)
* Neighborhood Markets (143)

The first two share the same advertising. That means roughly 3500 stores have the aforementioned "25" items. Granted, regional advertising means that the entire chain does not have to feature the same item.

Look at the country of origin label on the item. Chances are, it comes from overseas. That means a decision about what will be currently desirable must be made nearly a year in advance. In the case of electronics such as computers, TV's, and personal items like Ipods, that's a lifetime since technology can leapfrog past your carefully researched special buy. Then it needs to be manufactured and shipped in those big containers which often have to sit for weeks to clear customs. That's why rainchecks have no value. There is not enough time between Thanksgiving to order and receive the item from overseas. No one likes to give or get a raincheck for Christmas and they don't have the money or desire to come back to the store in March of the next year when it finally arrives.

Then there is the 'Open to Buy' to consider. Buyers have a budget they must live within. They don't have unlimited funds to use on a low or no profit item because they still need to buy all the other items in the store that it must sell to stay profitable and keep its doors open.

The pressure to find the perfect item that will make people choose your store over another is massive. A mistake will mean stacks of boxes containing items no one wants at any price. You can't stay open if the shoppers won't come through your doors and stay a while.

The store in question had security but how much is enough. No one knows when a crowd will get so rowdy they will trample another human to be first in line for a TV. How much respect is there for private security vs real police? If the local cops are busy sitting on a crowd outside of Wal Mart, who's watching the crowd outside of Best Buy, Sears, and everyone else?

Maybe the National Guard should be mobilized on BF to cover every ad that comes in the holiday newspaper?

Of course, if every state followed the Texas example, there crowds might be a lot calmer since it has laws permitting you to carry and conceal your weapon. You are less likely to pick a fight or push against the person in front of you if you don't know if they are strapped or not. Wouldn't that be a joyous experience!

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We used to have this problem on the Boxing Day sales after xmas.

After several injuries (thankfully no deaths) the States legislated against these types of 'sales'. Stores can now discount items but must provide them for everyone that wants them or they may have 'spot' sales in which a limited number of items are on sale for a limited period during the sale day.

Since then, there have been no more sales crush injuries.



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It's interesting to see the $$$ value people place on their dignity. Lining up outside Walmart to save a few bucks on a TV set? It's an ugly spectacle. Get a life. Or lose one as the case may be.

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Wal-Mart worker dies in shoppers' stampede

(Los Angeles Times) Friday morning's two shootings in Palm Desert weren't the only violent deaths on Black Friday: Across the country hours earlier, shoppers straining to get into a Wal-Mart in a New York City suburb trampled an employee, police said.

The three fatalities struck a somber note on the day after Thanksgiving, which is traditionally a day of leftovers, football and bargains at the mall.

At 5:03 a.m. Friday, customers surged toward a Long Island Wal-Mart store's entrance.

A 34-year-old temporary employee was killed when a "throng of shoppers . . . physically broke down the doors, knocking him to the ground," according to a statement from Nassau County officials.

He was declared dead at a hospital at 6:03 a.m. The exact cause of death has not been determined.

The surge at the Valley Stream store on Long Island also left three shoppers with minor injuries, and a pregnant 28-year-old woman was taken to a hospital, according to Nassau County officials.

A Wal-Mart statement called the situation tragic. "The safety and security of our customers and associates is our top priority," the company said.

Store managers had expected a large crowd on Black Friday and had requested additional internal and third-party security, more store associates and help from the Nassau police. Barricades were even put up, according to a follow-up statement from Hank Mullany, a senior vice president for the company and president of its northeast division.

"Despite all of our precautions, this unfortunate event occurred," Mullany said.

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NEW YORK – A Wal-Mart worker was killed Friday after an "out of control" throng of shoppers eager for post-Thanksgiving bargains broke down the doors at a suburban store and knocked him to the ground, police said.

At least four other people, including a woman eight months pregnant, were taken to hospitals for observation or minor injuries, and the store in Valley Stream on Long Island closed for several hours before reopening.
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Boxing day.. is apt.
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