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Wake up? Palestinians have been refugees for the last SIXTY years. They live in camps that are no better than concentration camps. They are surrounded by walls that are built on their farmlands giving no access to those farms or school or even means to make a living. Wake up? No you wake up!
They have EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT This is not about Islam or some other fukin religion this about LAND. If it was about Islam then what of the Christians? I bet you didn't even know that a lot of Palestinians are Christians and I know exactly why you don't, because you have been fukin blinded to see them all as Muslims which basically means dogs in terms of our media, Hollywood and our government. You're asking me to wake up?
Tahloube is in Dubai and seems to be doing rather well yet you are asking her to do NOTHING and SACRIFICE her remaining grandparent for the CAUSE.

This is not about rights, causes, land, religion, it's about personal choice.
I am asking her to save herself and family.
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I am sadden by your lost
A human life is not something we should not take for granted.
However things will change
the day Palestinians and the Muslims world stop preaching the destructions of all Jews and the state of Israel and of course all non Islamic as it says in the Koran: the infidels should convert or die...
that of course includes all other religions.. and that is a no no
I m Buddhist and Buddhist do not want to take over the world or ...
Every one deserves to live and live well
Palestinians of course and Jews as well
so ...
I have never encountered a judgmental Buddhist before. You have not yet snatched the pebble, grasshopper. Keep trying, the effort is worthy.

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I'd like to phone my grandmother but what shall I say??? She's an old lady who witnessed in a few months the death of her husband and daughter. What does she have on her mind? Does she wish she dies before she runs out of medications too because it would be less painful?
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Tell her you are sad every day about Gaza, and that you love her, and that god will take care of your aunt, who deserved better.

It's mostly up to you and your family whether the affirmation that was your aunt's life and death will serve as a catalyst, through your denial of its essence, of what is considered bodily, emotional, or conscious, reconciliation. The three will come. Advice to pay them their proper consideration.

Good luck to your family.

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Drew and CncrRschr,

terry is entitled to put forth his own propaganda just like you two are.
Propaganda? What he does not understand is that Palestinians do no represent an Islamic bowel movement. They are made up of Christians and Muslims, I betya you yourself didn't know that and like I said before I know EXACTLY why you didn't know that fact.
Siding with Talhoube and the struggle of her people is no propaganda, it's just that support because I like many that you are accusing of being a propagandist have balls to stand up to the machine

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First, I'd like to thank everybody who offered their condolences for their kind words.. mzsmbs, Cancer_researcher, drewprof, Zeitgeist, Jody, Marsden, FeelTheLove, mlfun, Naomilla, jlomon, A264172 and terry007 (although he has a terribly distorted idea about Islam). Sorry if I missed anyone.

Second, it's sad when you lose a loved one to natural causes but it's a mixture of sadness, anger and shock when the cause is murder.. state-sponsored, cold-blooded slow mass murder. Had a patient passed away due to negligence or bad practice, his family has the right to sue or in any way the right to stop the offender from repeating the offence. Can I sue the state of Israel for my aunt's death? There are mutilated survivors from Sabra & Shatila massacre who couldn't find a court to file the case.

In an average Palestinian's life, politics affects, sometimes dictates, his daily activities.. From education or the lack of it to health, social life, job and a lot of times, death too. That's why I directed my anger at those I think are the culprit to my aunt's painful departure.
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Out of THEIR land, THEIR home, THEIR country???? I think THAT is what Israel wants. These people are freedom fighters. I have respect for them. So should you.


You're added to my list of people who know what is going on.
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Wake up? Palestinians have been refugees for the last SIXTY years. They live in camps that are no better than concentration camps. They are surrounded by walls that are built on their farmlands giving no access to those farms or school or even means to make a living. Wake up? No you wake up!
They have EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT This is not about Islam or some other fukin religion this about LAND. If it was about Islam then what of the Christians? I bet you didn't even know that a lot of Palestinians are Christians and I know exactly why you don't, because you have been fukin blinded to see them all as Muslims which basically means dogs in terms of our media, Hollywood and our government. You're asking me to wake up?


Of course, drewprof has made it to the list a long time ago.

I have a large family who live in refugee camps in Gaza. Gaza is not our home itself. We're from a town called Majdal Asqalaan (Israel calls it Ashkelon), not far away from Gaza. It was occupied in 1948. Most of the population of alMajdal locked their homes and looked for shelter away from the bombing only to find themselves refugees in the next couple of days with no right to return home. Israel has created new facts on the ground and Jews from as far as Iran to the US were soon settled in the empty houses as if they were their own.

My father's family stayed but were evacuated by force in 1951. He remembers these events vividly. He witnessed as a child the arrival of truckloads of Jews, some were Arabs. He attended Israeli schools during the time.




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Tahloube is in Dubai and seems to be doing rather well yet you are asking her to do NOTHING and SACRIFICE her remaining grandparent for the CAUSE.

This is not about rights, causes, land, religion, it's about personal choice.
I am asking her to save herself and family.


You want me to save my grandmother's life by taking her out from Gaza and you'd do the same if you were me, right? Well, surprise surprise! Israel won't allow this. My late aunt, along with hundreds of other patients, wasn't allowed to seek treatment outside Gaza. If you're there you can't leave and if you're out you can't get in.

I'd love to offer any help possible to my family there but there's nothing to do but to send some money every now and then and it shouldn't be a lot of money, by the way, because accounts are monitored and you'd be suspected of funding terrorists.

Still, given the opportunity to leave, many people choose to stay and die on Palestinian soil than leave for a better life and eventually die somewhere else. This is one of the reasons people believe Hamas leaders. They see them living daily hardships just like everybody else, unlike previous Authority members and Fatah officials who either live in calmer West Bank (under Israeli protection in exchange for helping Israel control resistance factions) or even in Europe.

Resistance and patriotism aside, the humanitarian situation in Gaza is bad and is getting worse on those who choose or are forced to stay. Soon, I won't be worried about the sick and elderly only but also the life of everybody else.

Gulfnews: Gaza held hostage should outrage us all :

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There are 1.5 million men, women and children currently imprisoned without food, water, fuel or essential medicines. There is little to cook and nothing to cook on except open-air wood fires.

Students do their best to learn by candlelight. Adults struggle to find transport to take them to work, those lucky enough to have a job; 60 per cent are unemployed. The lives of the sick hang on a lottery. Soon they will face the worst of the winter in the dark. Worst of all, there is no escape.

As if all this suffering isn't enough, their neighbourhoods are regularly bombed; their leaders assassinated. They stood by helplessly as their life-sustaining olive groves were wilfully destroyed and their homes demolished.

Most of the people of Gaza have been captives throughout their lives. Today, they have nothing; no real champions, no future, no hope; not even bread. And what is the so-called international community doing about their man-made plight? The answer is nothing. Indeed, many neighbouring countries are colluding, albeit reluctantly.

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How long are we going to witness this terrible example of man's inhumanity to man without feeling ashamed at our own silence or anger at the inaction of our own leaders? Why are normally compassionate people who enjoy the benefits of First World living unflinching when it comes to the pain endured by Palestinians?

It seems to me there is a sense that these stateless people fighting for a home and to retain their identity are somehow at fault. Perhaps in that way we can ease our own consciences.

When natural disasters, such as a tsunami, an earthquake, a hurricane or famine occur, we open our hearts and our wallets. We rail at countries where bad governance is responsible for poverty, hunger and civil war, such as Zimbabwe and the Congo.

We rightfully feel a sense of outrage over the continued existence of Guantanamo. Yet, how many of us do more than shrug our shoulders at the way Israel treats 1.5 million people encaged in a living hell?

Geneva Conventions

For the last three weeks, Israel has imposed a complete blockade on the Gaza Strip in response to homemade rockets that were lobbed at southern Israel. It doesn't care that "collective punishment" is illegal both under international law and the Geneva Conventions.

For instance, Article 33 of the Geneva Conventions IV (1949) reads: "No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties, pillage and reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited".

Last January, Israel's Supreme Court upheld an earlier blockade of Gaza even while confirming Israel's obligation under international law not to deliberately harm civilians.

Well, Israel is deliberately harming civilians. Those premature newborns hanging by a thread to life because Gaza's largest hospital Shifa is operating on a faulty generator and patients suffering kidney failure who cannot receive dialysis are being punished for crimes they didn't commit.

On Sunday, King Abdullah of Jordan made this appeal to EU ambassadors: "The international community should do its utmost to end suffering of Palestinians in Gaza". A fine sentiment, indeed, but that's as far as it goes.

Earlier, Israel rejected an appeal by the director-general of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon, who underscored the "importance of having Israel urgently permit the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of Gaza, and regrets that his calls have not yet been heeded".

The exiled leader of Hamas, Khalid Mesha'al, has criticised the leaders of Arab and Muslim countries for their silence and says he would like "every Arab country to send a boat to Gaza".

Whatever one feels about the merits of Hamas as a political party or a fighting force, Mesha'al has a point. King Abdullah's appeal to the international community is welcomed but it should have been directed specifically at the Arab world, which has not only a moral but a brotherly duty to show the way.

Egypt should open Rafah despite its fears that an uncontrollable human flood will ensue simply because it's the right thing to do.

Condemnation

Sad to say, but Israel has proved time and time again that international condemnation bounces off it like water off a duck's back. The Israelis cared a hoot when former US president Jimmy Carter called the blockade "a crime and atrocity" back in April or when the Nobel peace laureate referred to it as "an abomination" in May.

No more pleading. There needs to be action. Israel should be treated in the same way South Africa under apartheid was - with boycotts and isolation. Its government should be tried at The Hague even in absentia and its officials should be liable to arrest wherever they travel.

Israel with the backing of Washington believes it is inviolable; it can do whatever it likes and step on whosoever it wishes without repercussions. If words won't cut it then the only way for the Palestinians to be heard is for the world to give Israel a small but bitter taste of its own nasty medicine.

Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs.
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