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Its called "climate change" now because many people have figured out "global warming" is a crock of shit.

The Earth's climate is ALWAYS changing and it has been doing so for about 4 billion years without our help!
How many of those 4 Billion years had a load of 6.6Billion people and 150 years of the Industrial Revolution? Think those two items might have changed the formula just a touch?

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the globe is warming up whether you want to believe it or not. tell me about glacial ice caps and glaciers, eh? where are the killer bees?



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Ok so let's look at the numbers of scientists who think global warming or climate change is being caused by human actions and let's look at the numbers who are skeptical and think that their is not enough evidence to say yes we are the cause and yes we should spend Trillions of dollars and hamstring the economies of the 1st world countries in order to allow the 3rd world to catch up.

Let's see the numbers.

Oh wait a minute...the consensus of the VAST majority of the scientific community during Galileo's time was that the earth was the center of the universe.

But never mind that because now scientists have it right.

When you base the entire crux of the argument on the number of believers you are saying that might makes right. This has become a religion of its own that requires a belief or a faith that the scientists have it right.

Just as you can not prove scientifically that God exists, Man made global warming can not proven to exist either. The evidence is:

A: Earth is warming up (so the evidence says but now we see reports that the evidence has been wrong)
B: The reason Earth is warming up is because of something we humans are doing (CO2 emissions are the evil nemesis here never mind the fact that CO2 has now been proven to rise as a result of temp increases not as a cause of temp increases)

The evidence is plainly visible. You Human Activity Global Warmists have to now have "Faith" that the evidence is not false.

All the time you have been belittling people of faith for their beliefs. Now you go and create your own religion based on the science of consensus.

I guess anyone who speaks out against Human Caused Global Warming as the sham and money grabber that it is can be officially branded a heretic.

Bravo...bravo. You have become that which you despise so much. A person who believes based upon what he is told as opposed to someone who believes based upon what they have seen.

All hail the new religion and its zealots and fundamentalists.

Who's John Galt.

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Ok so let's look at the numbers of scientists who think global warming or climate change is being caused by human actions and let's look at the numbers who are skeptical and think that their is not enough evidence to say yes we are the cause and yes we should spend Trillions of dollars and hamstring the economies of the 1st world countries in order to allow the 3rd world to catch up.

Let's see the numbers.

Oh wait a minute...the consensus of the VAST majority of the scientific community during Galileo's time was that the earth was the center of the universe.

But never mind that because now scientists have it right.

When you base the entire crux of the argument on the number of believers you are saying that might makes right. This has become a religion of its own that requires a belief or a faith that the scientists have it right.

Just as you can not prove scientifically that God exists, Man made global warming can not proven to exist either. The evidence is:

A: Earth is warming up (so the evidence says but now we see reports that the evidence has been wrong)
B: The reason Earth is warming up is because of something we humans are doing (CO2 emissions are the evil nemesis here never mind the fact that CO2 has now been proven to rise as a result of temp increases not as a cause of temp increases)

The evidence is plainly visible. You Human Activity Global Warmists have to now have "Faith" that the evidence is not false.

All the time you have been belittling people of faith for their beliefs. Now you go and create your own religion based on the science of consensus.

I guess anyone who speaks out against Human Caused Global Warming as the sham and money grabber that it is can be officially branded a heretic.

Bravo...bravo. You have become that which you despise so much. A person who believes based upon what he is told as opposed to someone who believes based upon what they have seen.

All hail the new religion and its zealots and fundamentalists.
WOW, simplifying the entire argument to two simple pieces of evidence that YOU picked out. And I like how you blow off the preponderance of opinion simply because it does not back up you lack of understanding or political opinion on the subject.

Try researching the subject for a few years before you jump in. You might find you can formulate a better argument than the one you just tried. That was just weak.

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we should spend Trillions of dollars and hamstring the economies of the 1st world countries in order to allow the 3rd world to catch up.
That’s what this is really about: fear, arrogance, and greed.
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Oh I see, since I'm not willing to drink the Kool-Aid that you consume without question, I must be schilling for someone.

Just move along...nothing to see here...no evidence...move along...don't think for yourself...just move along...

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Compare the number of cars on the road, the number of factories, the amount of urbanized areas in the 50s and compare it to today. I can't see how you could come to the conclusion that we arent doing anything to cause the cimate to change. Compare temperatures from the 50s to temperatures today. I bet the growth of our nation just happens to coincide.

US POP in 1950 150,520,798 Today of 305,186,613
Automobiles on the road in 1960 est 74,000,000 Today estimated 250,851,833

AZs POP in 1950 756,000 Today 6,338,755
NVs POP in 1950 162,000 Today 2,565,382

Im sure no one gives a shit but, a study done here about the effects of urban island heating. Good information. It shows Tucson has gotten hotter, the first occourance of 100* temps are earlier and earlier. minimum temps are warmer and warmer.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/wrh/08TAs/ta0810.pdf

All just a bunch of BS? the earth heats and cools in thousands of years cycles? We don't have enough record? We arent making an impact? Maybe... but why risk it? Is it really so hard to curb emessions and limit urban sprawl?

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So in the end, whether the word "recently" is important or not is irrelevant. And it is rather typical of you to try and argue an irrelevant point in the hopes of raising enough obfuscation to cloud and confuse the issue.

Thank goodness for such erudite and superiorily smart folk such as myself. We are the messianic answer to your junk science nuveau-religious beliefs. <--I don't even know what I am talking about there...

Anyway where was I?
Just because I picked you up on a couple of sweeping statements and inconsistencies - you appear to know just where I stand on the issue of climate change. Yet another example of you talking out of your arse. One day, you may pull your head out of there and find there is a whole wide world of interesting and diverse things - you just need to keep your mind open and mouth shut.

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WOW, simplifying the entire argument to two simple pieces of evidence that YOU picked out. And I like how you blow off the preponderance of opinion simply because it does not back up you lack of understanding or political opinion on the subject.

Try researching the subject for a few years before you jump in. You might find you can formulate a better argument than the one you just tried. That was just weak.
Ok let's see what the controversey is about then.

Global Warming is the problem that everyone claims to be the issue not global cooling. Call it what you want but it boils down to the fact that everyone is concerned with the warming trend that has been continuously brought up.

Second, the discussion is about what we as humans are doing that is possibly causing this. If we are not causing this or we can not do anything to effect the trend either way then why have a discussion about it? That means there is a section of people that believe we can do something to effect it or that we are in fact causing it. Everything else stems from these two basic points so in fact it is rather simple.

As for the Urban Heat islands etc yes urban areas heat up more than other parts but we have seen an overall planet temperature increase of .75 Celsius. Yes there are warmer areas than others but that also means there are areas that have cooled.

The harm from acting on this slimmest of correlative trending "evidence" is financial. If we spend all the money that the various groups say we need to spend on more studies (huh? I thought we had this nailed down already), direct action by limiting CO2 emissions (stop driving, stop burning fossil fuels is all anyone can come up with) the results are devastating. And when you look at what the issues are and then who would not be held to the standard (India, China) then it kind of gives you pause. If this is such a huge hairy problem why isn't everyone reducing the output of CO2? Why are some countries exempt?

Follow the money people. This is a way for more people to get more money.

I am all for stimulating "Green" industries and products that use less energy. The ubiquitous CFL is a decent example. It costs more than a regular bulb but let's face it, it has proven itself to be much more cost efficient up front (if you look at what it costs to properly dispose of one those costs go *poof* though so just keep polluting the environment with mercury by throwing them in the kitchen dust bin).

All global warming boils down too is some pseudo science that is trying to predict the weather. Yes it is that simple. You can bring out all sorts of algorithms to make it complicated but all this is is weather forecasting on a bigger more complicated scale. And then we find out that the folks who are recording temps at best, have been making mistakes and at worst are actually making wrong numbers up on purpose.

So is it more scientific to be skeptical or to just drink the kool-aid?

Who's John Galt.

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