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I like how you completely disregard the numbers that I am quoting to back up my statements.

That's ok. You are right It is getting repetitive. You refuse to talk about the simple numbers. Instead you want to try and confuse the issue. Whenever anyone presents a clear scientifically backed statement with citations and articles you refuse to acknowledge them and all you have to offer is...[cue cricket noise]...nothing.

It's ok. People are starting to see the sham that you and your fellow fundamentalists are throwing out. The one thing you did not count on in your club meeting when you were planning all of this conspiracy (read the sarcasm please) is that the media can not stand any kind of religion. This global warming has turned into a religious movement that relies on faith as much as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any of the other religions of the world do.

Do you realize how much you sound like crazy Chrisitans? Global warming is coming! You need to do what we say so you can be saved from this doom! Our way is the enlightened way!

Really...
The shoes that fit here are the ones on your feet - the persistent, hysterical shrieking of "THEY'RE COMING TO TAX YOUR WEALTH AWAY TO RUIN THE ECONOMY TRYING TO DEVELOP NEW ENERGY SOURCES THAT DON'T DUMP CARBON DIOXIDE AND OTHER POLLUTANTS INTO THE TROPOSPHERE!! BE SCARED, VERY SCARED! WE WILL ALL BE POOR!"

And, "BEWARE OF THOSE EVIL SCIENTISTS WHO WANT TO BE FUNDED TO STUDY IF WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE BEING AFFECTED BY OUR EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING RATE OF CARBON DIOXIDE AND OTHER HARMFUL EMISSIONS INTO THE TROPOSPHERE!!! IT IS A GIMMICK TO GET THEIR HANDS ON MY MONEY!!!"

That about covers all the science and other insight you have provided into your argument. Claiming your greedy and selfish outlook is somehow based on science does not make it so, Scotty.

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FLT,
I dick out some article for you from the climatologist:



This is a better link with more pictures and this
should be taught in school. It puts what is relevant
against what is not relevant in sharp contrast. It
just a matter of numbers.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/zjmar07.pdf
Don't read this FTL. Don't anybody read it who is a global warming believer. Just start chanting the prayer...

Our father who is the UN, hallowed be thy hockey stick charts.
Thy kingdom is warming,
Thy Galciers are melting,
In the Arctic as it is in the Antarctic.
Give us this day our daily dose of kool-aid,
and forgive us our SUV's and Private Jets
as we envy those who are productive.
And lead us not into skepticism or sound experimentation
but deliver us from logic.
For thine is the purview, the power, and the money
for ever and ever.

In your son Al Gore's Holy name, Amen.

I'm telling you don't read it!

Who's John Galt.

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" - Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 2

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The shoes that fit here are the ones on your feet - the persistent, hysterical shrieking of "THEY'RE COMING TO TAX YOUR WEALTH AWAY TO RUIN THE ECONOMY TRYING TO DEVELOP NEW ENERGY SOURCES THAT DON'T DUMP CARBON DIOXIDE AND OTHER POLLUTANTS INTO THE TROPOSPHERE!! BE SCARED, VERY SCARED! WE WILL ALL BE POOR!"

And, "BEWARE OF THOSE EVIL SCIENTISTS WHO WANT TO BE FUNDED TO STUDY IF WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE BEING AFFECTED BY OUR EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING RATE OF CARBON DIOXIDE AND OTHER HARMFUL EMISSIONS INTO THE TROPOSPHERE!!! IT IS A GIMMICK TO GET THEIR HANDS ON MY MONEY!!!"

That about covers all the science and other insight you have provided into your argument. Claiming your greedy and selfish outlook is somehow based on science does not make it so, Scotty.

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Again no refutation of the numbers.

And now a claim that CO2 is increasing exponentially.

Hmm...

Let me post those numbers again.

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So if we were to "flip a switch" and eliminate CO2 emissions tomorrow we would reduce it by one (1) PPM per year. That is a 0.25974% yearly decrease if I did my math correct (please check it, seriously math makes my head hurt).

So then that begs the question how much can we influence it if we keep on emitting CO2? Let's look at the Greenpeace website (CO2 emissions | Greenpeace USA) where they say the following:

"the US is the world's largest producer of greenhouse gases and is responsible for almost a quarter of global emissions of carbon dioxide."

So if we in the U.S. quit emitting CO2 tomorrow that means we would reduce the CO2 levels by .064935% per year.

All of this is to illustrate 2 points:

1. We do not have a significant effect on CO2 levels (either increasing or decreasing) to warrant a change in current emissions.

2. Any "reduction in emissions" that is to be accomplished would have no therapeutic effect on the climate.
Logic and their own words and science. I love how they just can't deal with it.

Who's John Galt.

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Again no refutation of the numbers.

And now a claim that CO2 is increasing exponentially.

Hmm...
I understand your problem now. Reading comprehension and arithmetic stymie you.

The human contribution is related to the number of humans (growing at a rate that increases with time, meaning it is not linear, therefore the population growth is exponential and has been for some time) and the amount of CO2 they liberate. That can be roughly estimated to be growing faster than the population as the population that is getting into the act now includes giant nations like China and India that used to do without....

So, if you could read you would see that the human contribution to CO2 burden in the troposphere is increasing at a rate that increases with every unit of change in time - a changing rate of change. Non-linear.

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Let me post those numbers again.

We have already discussed the numbers. You are too obtuse to understand that being able to undo the human contribution since the industrial revolution started within a generation is a big change. This problem is not like a headache for the troposphere that we have to find an aspirin like solution for - it is going to take generations to address. Which we all understand is why you can't get behind it - the benefits of your tax investment will accrue to people not born yet - people that won't even be born for maybe a hundred years - and you would rather keep your money in your greedy little hands.

Logic and their own words and science. I love how they just can't deal with it.
You don't have a full deck to deal from there, so no one is interested in your game anymore.

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Global Warming threads are straight money for post whores and trolls, aren't they...
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Global Warming threads are straight money for post whores and trolls, aren't they...
Yeah, shit, at this rate I might get to 5K tonight. Jim
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So how's your weather today?
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I understand your problem now. Reading comprehension and arithmetic stymie you.

The human contribution is related to the number of humans (growing at a rate that increases with time, meaning it is not linear, therefore the population growth is exponential and has been for some time) and the amount of CO2 they liberate. That can be roughly estimated to be growing faster than the population as the population that is getting into the act now includes giant nations like China and India that used to do without....

So, if you could read you would see that the human contribution to CO2 burden in the troposphere is increasing at a rate that increases with every unit of change in time - a changing rate of change. Non-linear.



You don't have a full deck to deal from there, so no one is interested in your game anymore.

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Just keep on ignoring the numbers I posted with sources sympathetic to your position. It's ok. I understand. It eviscerates your argument.

Who's John Galt.

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So far everything you posted is false, I'm tired of wasting my time on you. Now you guys are pulling PDFs from people no one has ever heard of. I suggest you review the Wiki I posted, which shows the preponderance of scientists are more than convinced that GCC is happening and that something must be done about it.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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So how's your weather today?
Very pleasant in Texas, fixing to go for a motorcycle ride.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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