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SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers—and voters—should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County—traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas—went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"Father Newman is off-base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

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No surprise there, did your Mom drop you on your head only once from up high or just on numerous occasions.........
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Only humans can agree or disagree.
Humans are defined by logic and thinking.
You don't show signs of either.
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Only humans can agree or disagree.
Humans are defined by logic and thinking.
You don't show signs of either.
Let me guess, you're "pro choice?"
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See the thread "What Hypocrites" that I started about a week ago.

The problem with this approach is that these catholic priests are simply fixated on one issue only and disregard all other relevant issues. Furthermore, they should keep their nose out of politics and preach God's teachings instead.

And the biggest problem is that most right wingers could not care less about abortion or doing anything about it. All they care about is to rake in as much money and power for themselves as possible in the shortest time possible at the expense of everyone else. They are cynically using the abortion issue as means to gain more votes from religious people who do not seem to realize what the name of the game really is.

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See the thread "What Hypocrites" that I started about a week ago.

The problem with this approach is that these catholic priests are simply fixated on one issue only and disregard all other relevant issues. Furthermore, they should keep their nose out of politics and preach God's teachings instead.

And the biggest problem is that most right wingers could not care less about abortion or doing anything about it. All they care about is to rake in as much money and power for themselves as possible in the shortest time possible at the expense of everyone else. They are cynically using the abortion issue as means to gain more votes from religious people who do not seem to realize what the name of the game really is.

Since abortion is against the teachings of the Catholic church why should the clergy turn a blind eye to those that voted for obamba?

If you call yourself a Catholic you should be n sync with the church's moral standings.
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