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So what is with the Dutch?

For those of you keeping score, one of the guys last seen with Natalie Holloway is being investigated for potential sex crimes...and then these two creatures come along.

I like the fact that INTENTIONALLY infecting someone with aids in the Netherlands can't be attempted murder...because their courts consider it a "chronic illness". Wonder how the judges would feel if they were the victims?

After they drugged them, at least they didn't harvest their kidneys.


2 men guilty of injecting 14 with HIV
All victims tested positive after being drugged, assaulted at a sex party
Nov. 12, 2008

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A Dutch court convicted two men Wednesday for attempting to infect 14 victims with HIV in a bizarre sex case.

The Groningen District Court found the two guilty of severe assault for injecting semiconscious men with HIV-infected blood at sex parties between January 2006 and May 2007.

Peter M., 49, who was also convicted of rape, was sentenced to nine years in prison and Hans J., 39, received a five-year sentence. Under Dutch privacy laws, the surnames of convicted criminals are not released.

Prosecutors said they would appeal for higher sentences.

"By committing these acts, (Peter M.) has shown himself to have a serious lack of respect for the rights of others," the three-judge panel's written ruling said. "While he knew from his own experience what far-reaching consequences are tied to an infection with HIV, he repeatedly attempted to bring this same hurt to others."

Prosecutors had argued that the two men, along with a third who was acquitted of major charges, had drugged the 14 victims and intentionally infected them.

But in Wednesday's ruling, judges said while the victims all had HIV, it could not be proven that they were infected by the injections because they willingly took part in orgies where gay men had unprotected sex.

The judges also said allegations the victims were given GHB, known as a "date rape" drug, were also unproven.

The suspects were not charged with attempted murder since Dutch courts have held that HIV is a chronic illness rather than an inevitably fatal one.

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Seems that considering the circumstances the case was handled in a rational way to me. Which part offends you?

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Seems that considering the circumstances the case was handled in a rational way to me. Which part offends you?
Maybe the fact that the men who injected the other men with a disease that has no cure and will kill them, did not receive a heavier sentence?

Helloooo?

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Maybe the fact that the men who injected the other men with a disease that has no cure and will kill them, did not receive a heavier sentence?

Helloooo?
Did you miss the part about voluntarily participating in unprotected gay sex, thereby demonstrating ambivalence to the danger of AIDS and negating proof that they were indeed infected by the defendants?

Are you disputing the Dutch courts' contention that AIDS is now considered a manageable chronic disease?

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certainly gives 'Going Dutch' a new meaning.

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certainly gives 'Going Dutch' a new meaning.







Thanks, I'm sitting in an Exchange class and just laughed out loud.

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Hahahahahahahaha. That's a good one.

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Did you miss the part about voluntarily participating in unprotected gay sex, thereby demonstrating ambivalence to the danger of AIDS and negating proof that they were indeed infected by the defendants?

Are you disputing the Dutch courts' contention that AIDS is now considered a manageable chronic disease?
Wow! AIDS is just a manageable chronic disease huh? Kind of like Cancer I guess? Except the survivability of AIDS is still zero the last I heard.

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