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Sorry, you have hopes that who will work what out??

The so-called "conservatives" are still whining about how Barack Obama is a "socialist" ... and what exactly might this "socialist" do, anyway? Nationalize the banking system? The housing market? The auto companies? What then? Bush & Co. got there already. First with the worst. The only thing they have left is the terrifying spectre of universal health coverage, I guess. God forbid that should happen. Right. Because that might help someone other than Wall Street fat cats. Must prevent that at all costs.
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I am distinguishing "so called conservatives" from conservatives. Your conclusions about our "so called" are correct. I call all of it, what the GOP has done and some things our incoming president has proposed socialism. A true conservative wouldn't have done what the GOP/GW has done.

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If the 'conservatives' could agree on a smaller social role for government. And a pragmatic conservative economic policy, they might 'loose' at first, but they would be positioned to 'succeed' in more than a box score.

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What are the differences, then, between what you call a "true conservative" and a libertarian?
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If the 'conservatives' could agree on a smaller social role for government. And a pragmatic conservative economic policy, they might 'loose' at first, but they would be positioned to 'succeed' in more than a box score.
Well said. And that is what I hope they, or somebody works out.

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Well the socioeconomic system is due to collapse, with the insolvency of medicare et all, and the peak credit crisis convergence, over the next generation. So there's a window of continuing socialism in bloom to rail against. I guess the other option is the continuation of the mindless trend toward culture wars.

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What are the differences, then, between what you call a "true conservative" and a libertarian?
Ed is a true conservative, I am a libertarian. Libertarians are prettier.

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Ed is a true conservative, I am a libertarian. Libertarians are prettier.
That is udder bullshit.
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Conservative – Liberation – Liberal – Socialist…

Strict adherence to political doctrine and dogma will get us nowhere; the world’s too complicated for that. A pragmatic approach is the way to go – a political cafeteria plan, if you will.

Just do what works, regardless of what political camp the idea comes from.
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What are the differences, then, between what you call a "true conservative" and a libertarian?
Very little, if any. "true conservative" is a term that I and others use to distinguish between the GOP/neocons and conservatives. Libertarians are conservatives. The only position that they have that I couldn't sign up for is the drug thing, but I was willing to overlook that for the rest of the package in '08. I continue to learn and evolve.

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