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Conservatives Didn't Lose The Election, The GOP Did

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Commentary: Conservatives didn't lose election, GOP did - CNN.com
By Mark Sanford
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Editor's Note: Mark Sanford, a Republican, is governor of South Carolina.

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (CNN) -- For all Americans, this election represents another glass ceiling broken, and in the words of my 16-year-old, "That's very cool." The election of the first black president is an inspiring and transformational moment for our country.

I am happy for President-elect Barack Obama, and for many who supported him. They and, in many cases, their ancestors fought for this day for centuries as they experienced first-hand the unthinkable wrong of segregation. As an American, I wish him every success.

Beyond the presidential race, it goes without saying the Republican Party took a shellacking nationally. Some on the left will say our electoral losses are a repudiation of our principles of lower taxes, smaller government and individual liberty. But Tuesday was not in fact a rejection of those principles -- it was a rejection of Republicans' failure to live up to those principles.

I believe in the Biblical notion of taking the log out of your own eye before worrying about the splinter in someone else's. Accordingly, let me focus on my own party and the way Ted Stevens personifies what went wrong in the election.

As a senior ranking Republican from Alaska, he was a proud champion of pork barrel spending and bridges to nowhere, and stayed so long that he developed a blind eye to ethical lapses that would be readily seen by scout leaders and soccer moms alike.

Republicans have campaigned on the conservative themes of lower taxes, less government and more freedom -- they just haven't governed that way. America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it.

So during our "time in the wilderness," it's my hope that we go back to the basics of conservatism -- what it stands for and its real-world implications for people's lives. The sooner we do, the sooner we will see good policy from Republicans, and the sooner I suspect we will return to electoral favor.

A political party works much like a brand. Companies like Caterpillar and John Deere earn loyal customers by consistently delivering what they advertise -- they walk the walk. The same is true of brands like Fed-Ex, the Boy Scouts of America, or the Marine Corps.

I'm always struck by the degree to which the rank and file indeed know what they're about. I'm equally struck by the degree to which those in office don't always act on the same.

Chick-fil-a does not say to its franchisees, "However you want to cook the sandwiches is cool with me." They are precise in what they expect, and it's my hope going forward more conservatives in all corners of America will be equally precise and exacting in making sure their views are reflected by the party that supposedly represents them.

The time for doing so is short. President-elect Obama proposed $1 trillion in new spending on the campaign trail with no clear plan for paying for it. As a nation, we're on the hook for $52 trillion -- that represents an invisible mortgage of nearly $450,000 held by every household in America.

We've thrown $2.3 trillion toward bailouts and stimulus this year with little to show for it in the way of results, and Congress is already contemplating yet another $150 billion to now bail out states that spent faster than even the federal government. I fear an Obama administration will welcome this.

Borrowing from Medicare, Social Security, our grandkids and the Chinese to remedy a problem created by too much borrowing strikes me as odd, and hardly the "change" Americans really want. Accordingly, on these and other issues that involve borrowing to spend, I will work with others to change this kind of change.

History will prove that we live in remarkable times. As we prepare for the future, it's my hope that we take time for introspection as Republicans on where we go next as a party, and take time as Americans for reflection in appreciating the significance of turning part of Dr. Martin Luther King's dream into reality.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Gov. Mark Sanford.
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They both lost. The principles endorsed and implemented by Greenspan are an utter failure, in addition to the party of Bush.

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Conservative principles didn't lose in the election; Obama learned what the promise of "tax cuts for 95%" means to folks. Who did lose were the Republicans who once having gained office, began spending like Democrats.

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Republicans are a heterogeneous mixture of liberals, criminals and moderates. They champion no common cause, unlike the rebellion of 1994. If they wish to find themselves, they must become one, again, with conservatism. A homogeneous mixture, per se.

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Republicans are a heterogeneous mixture of liberals, criminals and moderates. They champion no common cause, unlike the rebellion of 1994. If they wish to find themselves, they must become one, again, with conservatism. A homogeneous mixture, per se.
Your first sentence is a surrender to hyperbole, but I agree that there must be found a common purpose to bring the party back together, along with a an ideologue to act as a spokesman for conservatism . Supporting a flat or fair tax reform system is beginning to make some sense to me. I have no idea who can be a spokesman. Any thoughts about that?

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I have your common purpose right here: burn the witches.

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Conservative principles didn't lose in the election; Obama learned what the promise of "tax cuts for 95%" means to folks. Who did lose were the Republicans who once having gained office, began spending like Democrats.
Obama supports the progressive income tax system. This is not a conservative principle is it?

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Your first sentence is a surrender to hyperbole, but I agree that there must be found a common purpose to bring the party back together, along with a an ideologue to act as a spokesman for conservatism . Supporting a flat or fair tax reform system is beginning to make some sense to me. I have no idea who can be a spokesman. Any thoughts about that?
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It was neither Republicans nor conservatives but John McCain.


The issue for the GOP is does it want to return to the pre-neocon, pre-Nixonian party of small government and personal liberty or remain the bastion of social conservatives, Culture Warriors, and Christian fundamentalists? I would love to see the return of the former and the demise of the latter.

Unfortunately the social/religious conservatives have too strong a hold as the ‘base.’ To them the GOP is the Party of God whose members are the only true, loyal Americans. Such ignorance and arrogance is tough to fight – especially with logic and reason.

Fear not, GOPers – The Angry White Man is alive and well; fear, hate, arrogance, and ignorance will return the GOP to power soon.
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A couple of points...

1) I think the author was talking about the broader election (plural, if you will). Republicans lost seats, and were walloped in the Presidential race - insofar as that happens anymore.

2) As Newt agrees, the problem with Republicans is that they aren't acting in a manner consistent with the beliefs that brought them back to power in 1994, and haven't been for some time.

Is there a solution? Sure...first you have to pick which of the myriad problems you want to start with, and go from there.

Conservatism will make a comeback, possibly sooner than 2012. If Obama presides from the center, and he can keep Pelosi in check, it will be very tough indeed for Republicans to make a compelling case to independent voters come that time. If they're stupid enough to seriously consider Palin beyond January, they're dead for a while.
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