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I told an Obama supporting co-worker, 2 months ago, that McCain didn't have the passion to win, and wouldn't. I think McCain had given up long before and he even admitted to some close aids that Obama was going to pull this off. He seemed quite prepared for his concession speech, last night.

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I actually donated money to McCain at one time - I wanted to see him as president in 2000. The truth is, this time McCain blew it big time. The public wants an end to partisan rancor, and McCain, after years of being the darling of the independent voter and the fiscal conservatives, fired his Straight Talk staff and replaced them with the retiring Karl Rove's operation, and McCain then begins to run the most hard-right partisan campaign in US history, right out of old Karl's Nigger Baby on a Swiftboat Handbook. It was the wrong year for it, and McCain lacked the corrupt character of George Bush and the utter ruthlessness of Dick Cheney, the two things really necessary to make it work.

The Palin Pick was the most massive blunder in US political history, if you ask me. They were getting all excited about her drawing massive crowds, but they were massive crowds of people who were going to end up voting for McCain anyway. When the Nigger Baby Swiftboat launched with Palin at the helm, it turned off every independent voter in the country. McCain, all fucked up over the "base", blew his own base - fiscal conservatives, independents and conservative Democrats. Soon the same voices on AM radio calling Hispanics "terrorists" and gay people "perverts with an agenda", while calling Obama (and by association every minority person in the country) every name in the book, became the voice of McCain as well.

He was totally blind to the fact he was driving a train that is fast becoming one that only white rabid social "conservatives" seem welcome in. He ran off his own electorate (and in the process killed any chance of the GOP drawing them into the mythical "Big Tent" forever) in a quest to solidify a "base" of people who were going to vote for him anyway - they did not need Palin to make them turn out, their red-baited hatred of "socialists" would have done the trick anyway. That was the real blunder. If he had kept to the Straight Talk theme, put Tom Ridge (especially Ridge given the importance of Pennsylvania) or Jindal on the ticket and used Romney more on economic issues, he would have won. If he had ignored the Republican's increasingly political poison pro-life wing and nominated a Democrat, Lierbermann, and then run a center-unity campaign, he would have been unbeatable. Instead, he puts a flake on the ticket, and then he proceeds to act like a flake when the economy goes sour as she becomes a national laughingstock. Poof. Gone.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Had McCain won, you are probably correct yosey, Drew would likely not have started this thread. Someone else might have. But why pick that scab?

McCain gave a great speech honoring the American tradition of changing the power structure in the country according to the will of the American people. Their will was clearly stated. There is no recount, or voting controversy that in a single state might turn the election around. The American people have spoken, and, as John McCain noted last night, they have spoken quite clearly and it is time to become Americans again. I thought his speech was the first view of the man John McCain actually is that I have seen in a long time and I am grateful for his very clear and honest acknowledgment that it is time to come together to work on the problems that face America together.

We will have plenty of opportunities to snipe at Obama in the months to come. While he is not due any "free rides" as another put it in another thread, it is time to give his skills as the President a chance to heal some of our wounds and get us moving in the direction the "more perfect union" of our Constitution. Obama's speech last night made it clear, that process is never ending and it is up to each generation to face the challenges of its time and, within the process and tools of the Constitution, overcome those challenges.

We happen to have some pretty significant challenges ahead of us, and it will require a few generations to continue to stand up them, and the next ones that come along. That 106 year old woman's life was not held up as a cute story - it was an example of the progress made by generations of Americans working toward realizing the potential of the America that our forefathers envisioned and prescribed in the words of the Constitution - over a single lifetime. But it was a lifetime, granted a statistical anomaly, but a lifetime and not a term of a President. Being American is a lifelong challenge for the American people - the process of evolving our nation to a "more perfect union" is never done, and at times it takes a unique American to point that out effectively. Today that person is Barack Obama.

His message is focused on accepting the challenge and getting us all to stand side by side while we make our country the best it can be. Jim
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I told an Obama supporting co-worker, 2 months ago, that McCain didn't have the passion to win, and wouldn't. I think McCain had given up long before and he even admitted to some close aids that Obama was going to pull this off. He seemed quite prepared for his concession speech, last night.
Give the man a break, he showed class!
Let's hope that the American people will work together just like McCain is and has always been ready to bridge with the other side for the sake of our country.
We have a real struggle ahead of us so I don't think this the time to dwell on why McCain lost or why Obama won. We would have all won if we worked together no matter who got elected as long as real leadership was applied. That was never the case with Bush
We have that opportunity right now glaring us in the face, let's take it and let's make this planet a livable place. Let's accept right now that we MUST sacrifice and are willing to do so to right what was wrong and to rebuild this country's foundation. We need to focus on strengthening our country's infrastructure, energy production, banking, businesses and above all faith in each others. Let's do it!
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Yes, McCain made a good concession speech, unfortunately and predictably, in was interspersed with the crowd booing when the Obama name was mentioned reflecting the nature of his campaign - a good man with a bunch of haters for supporters. I'm glad they lost but seriously doubt they learned anything.

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Yes, McCain made a good concession speech, unfortunately and predictably, in was interspersed with the crowd booing when the Obama name was mentioned reflecting the nature of his campaign - a good man with a bunch of haters for supporters. I'm glad they lost but seriously doubt they learned anything.
That is why I am calling on all of us to unite and put the bullshit aside
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Yes, McCain made a good concession speech, unfortunately and predictably, in was interspersed with the crowd booing when the Obama name was mentioned reflecting the nature of his campaign - a good man with a bunch of haters for supporters. I'm glad they lost but seriously doubt they learned anything.
Can you provide an example of a concession speech in which no audience member jeered or booed? I can't.

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So, because it's never happened before makes it right?

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Fair characterization vs. extremist characterization. Take your pick. The point is that had Obama given a concession speech rather than McCain, the same thing would have likely occurred.

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Fair characterization vs. extremist characterization.
How about the actual over the abstract. We can only be thankful the hatemongers in the McCain crowd didn't have their Obama monkey dolls in tow.

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