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I guess that Obama is going to have the living shit beat out of him in the press when nothing revolutionary happens within 6 mos.
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Of course, no one put a gun to his head (as far as we know) and said, "Take the low road, Mac."

Look at it for what it was. Slender, young, oratorical, "sexy" candidate who is the media's darling with no explainable, accountable background relating to his rise with unlimited, also largely unaccountable funds vs an old, oddly broken and disfigured man who got that way in long service to his country who basically grossed out anyone under thirty who scrambled to meet the payroll.

There is no road high enough to take that would result in victory. He would have been seen as "kindly old gramps heading for the rocking chair"

Tear the other guy down was the only option with a chance of winning.

If it was a video game, Obama's skill level was set on "Easy" while McCain's was turned to "Brutal". John McCain came to win and against huge odds, he did remarkably well.

All that is now past, however. January 20, it all becomes an officially new game. Let's hope President (elect) Obama gained the necessary skills to successfully play at a new level. I know I hope he does.
If Obama puts together an Administration half as efficient as the Campaign team, THAT is an excellent start. I really don't have doubts about that.

But I still think that if 2000 McCain had ran, it would have been a much different race. If he had run on his Principles and run on HIS strong suite, that could have been a stabilizing influence. By going hard negative he turned off many more than he turned on.

And look at the numbers. Bush got 62 Million votes. McCain got 56 Million. Where did that Six Million Republicans go? You have to assume many were just not happy with what turned out to be a reckless campaign, loaded with mistakes and missteps.

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The other chant I've heard, which is something I think will be far more transformational in our society, is black people having the conversation with their kids that involve their futures, for the first time, without caveats.

Now, they can really and honestly tell their children "you can be anything you want to be when you grow up, even President." There were a number of commentators who mentioned that and got choked up in doing so. I admit I didn't understand how important that fact was.
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If Obama puts together an Administration half as efficient as the Campaign team, THAT is an excellent start. I really don't have doubts about that.

But I still think that if 2000 McCain had ran, it would have been a much different race. If he had run on his Principles and run on HIS strong suite, that could have been a stabilizing influence. By going hard negative he turned off many more than he turned on.

And look at the numbers. Bush got 62 Million votes. McCain got 56 Million. Where did that Six Million Republicans go? You have to assume many were just not happy with what turned out to be a reckless campaign, loaded with mistakes and missteps.
You know, if it didn't serve any other purpose, CNN's coverage of the Presidential debates with the little "life line" deal provided instant feedback that negativity by the campaigners was the fastest, most effective way to become disengaged from voters.
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Secular is good. Pentecostal evangelical fundie is -- well, work it out...
You would have hated Andrew Jackson as a President then.

Who's John Galt.

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The other chant I've heard, which is something I think will be far more transformational in our society, is black people having the conversation with their kids that involve their futures, for the first time, without caveats.

Now, they can really and honestly tell their children "you can be anything you want to be when you grow up, even President." There were a number of commentators who mentioned that and got choked up in doing so. I admit I didn't understand how important that fact was.
No the families won't be able to say it. The cultural divide is too great and those families who are on the wrong side of the economic line will be listening to the fools like Sharpton and Jackson.

Mark my words, I have said it before, Jackson and/or Sharpton will come out eventually claiming that Obama is not "Black enough" and that he isn't really helping black families. It is a never ending cycle that sociologists have been trying to figure out for decades.

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No the families won't be able to say it. The cultural divide is too great and those families who are on the wrong side of the economic line will be listening to the fools like Sharpton and Jackson.

Mark my words, I have said it before, Jackson and/or Sharpton will come out eventually claiming that Obama is not "Black enough" and that he isn't really helping black families. It is a never ending cycle that sociologists have been trying to figure out for decades.
Sharpton and Jackson are in the game for a different reason than the National level. I would not assume they will be negative at all toward Obama. To use a sports metaphor He has crossed the goal-line based as much on blocks that they threw as anything else. The laid the groundwork [sometimes misguided] for what we saw last night.

I talked to my friend at lunch today who is 88 and black. He was just in awe of the historical significance of the evening. Not because a black man won, but because we as a country had come far enough for a black man to have to opportunity to win and for 66% of Americans that are white to give him the same look see as they would give a white candidate. [he's pretty smart for a guy with a 5th grade education].

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I talked to my friend at lunch today who is 88 and black. He was just in awe of the historical significance of the evening. Not because a black man won, but because we as a country had come far enough for a black man to have to opportunity to win ...
This hits the nail on the head.

The election of a black man took place over the 20 years leading up to yesterday.

The guy who won on November 4th just saw a street in front of him and crossed it.

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This hits the nail on the head.

The election of a black man took place over the 20 years leading up to yesterday.

The guy who won on November 4th just saw a street in front of him and crossed it.

You mean we have elected a Jaywalker, shit we don't need another Jay......
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You mean we have elected a Jaywalker, shit we don't need another Jay......
When the GOP has finished melting, Jay will be what they will call an Obama Democrat.

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